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Newbiespud 15th Jul 2017, 12:00 AM edit delete
Hold up a sec. In the episode, did Rarity actually forge a metal rainbow helmet for Rainbow Dash's custom dress? Has she also been a blacksmith this whole time? This raises so many possibilities.

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Kaze Koichi 15th Jul 2017, 2:16 AM edit delete reply
I don't know about dresses and blacksmithing, but in one campaign my character was making poison, and I was surprised to learn that to do that I use craft (alchemy) skill. So, theoretically I could do a bit more with that.
Another thing I didn't expect that to seduce someone I need to roll perform, even if the only perform I ever had point in was (dance).
Kaze Koichi 15th Jul 2017, 2:20 AM edit delete reply
Goddamn it! I need to log in next time so I could delete those double posts.
Super_Big_Mac 15th Jul 2017, 2:47 AM edit delete reply
Seeing as how my Rogue was a dancer for his civilian job (up until he accidently became the High Priest for an up and coming Goddess), having a +20 in Perform: Dance was a given by the end.

And my GM took the fact that seduction was based on Perform skills to poke fun at me when I tried to offer dance lessons to a merchant in exchange for a small, one-time discount.
Kaze Koichi 15th Jul 2017, 5:10 AM edit delete reply
I actually was planning to dance my way into a bedroom of an assassination target once of twice during campaign. Not with this DM. He was obsessed with making this campaign combat-heavy, so my intend of making a social rogue was completely wasted, as the only chance to socialise was with allies.
Digo Dragon 17th Jul 2017, 11:10 AM edit delete reply
Digo Dragon
My D&D 3.5 wizard grew up the son of a blacksmith. He knew his way around the forge and often maintained the party's metal weapons and armor. Didn't even need magic like Mending. Just give him a forge and 30 minutes.

And it only got better when onlookers notice that the wizard's assistant stoking the forge is a horse...
Dude 21st Jul 2017, 2:40 PM edit delete reply
This reminds me of the time my surgeon character won an embroidery contest because it used the same stats, which thanks to minmaxing, gave him a better total than balanced NPCs who actually put some ranks into embroidery...
Ishidan 15th Jul 2017, 3:04 AM Blacksmith edit delete reply
Black smithing? Oh, no no no, darling.
Black smithing is the trade of working with iron, the black color of cast iron giving the trade its name.
THAT headpiece is clearly a fusion of entirely different metalworking arts.
Perhaps an ultralight aluminium shell, clearly some goldsmithing filigree about the cheeks and high gloss enamel baked on in the pottery kiln for the color coordinated striping...
But black smithy? Oh heavens no.
Guest 15th Jul 2017, 4:43 AM edit delete reply
It's plastic.
Digo Dragon 17th Jul 2017, 11:13 AM edit delete reply
Digo Dragon
Equestria's tech level is about right for the introduction of Bakelite.
Ishidan 17th Jul 2017, 10:02 PM Plastics edit delete reply
Plastic helmet?
For a barbarian?
Even for one that chose a Speed Freak build instead of the usual Big, Brave Brick of Meat build, I don't think that would go over.
Anvildude 15th Jul 2017, 8:42 AM edit delete reply
Oh no no no. Not Aluminum. For one thing, in a world that hasn't discovered the Bayer process, aluminum is literally more valuable than gold, and incredibly rare. Granted, in the world of Equestria, it's entirely possible that they have some sort of magical process for it, but I don't believe we've actually seen any aluminum items in the world, which suggests a no for that.

Second, though you are correct in thinking that the shiny colors of the rainbow are probably an enamel glaze, aluminum couldn't stand up to the temperatures needed to put that glaze on.

That helmet is almost certainly brightwork- silver, copper, gold. Most likely silver for the bulk of it, as copper would be too weak for its weight, and possibly with an iron frame underneath, since iron is much stronger for the weight. Then, yes, gold or gold-leaf or kumboo for the trim.
CharginChuck 15th Jul 2017, 10:49 AM edit delete reply
We're talking about a world where various gems and jewels are roughly as common and valuable as nickels. I don't think we can apply real world value to any material here, no matter ho rare.
albedoequals1 15th Jul 2017, 1:23 PM edit delete reply
Considering that the ponies use technology that requires printed circuit boards, any declaration about what they "haven't discovered" is ridiculous.

Lots of people get all hung up on their personal head canon for Equestrian tech, only to have the very next episode show them using something more advanced. They have nearly every modern technology, the only exceptions being things they don't have any use for, like automobiles.
Robin Bobcat 16th Jul 2017, 2:57 PM edit delete reply
And even the Cider Squeezy is self-propelled.
Xelmon 16th Jul 2017, 10:33 PM edit delete reply
It's come that far huh? ... Man, seems like I really fell outta things.
Professor Haystacks 17th Jul 2017, 12:00 PM edit delete reply
Wait, what have we seen that requires printed circuits? The most advanced thing I can recall seeing is a Kodak style camera.
Professor Haystacks 17th Jul 2017, 12:08 PM edit delete reply
Just remembered Twilight's EEG. However, that doesn't actually require printed circuits (the first one was in 1924), so I'm not sure if that's what you were thinking of.
Queensarrow 9th Oct 2017, 7:29 PM edit delete reply
I think there was a scene with Button Mash in the background at an video game arcade cabinet. That's how he got his name as far as I can tell.
Wulfraed 16th Jul 2017, 6:38 AM edit delete reply
We seem to be forgetting two other alloys: Brass and Bronze; the latter was, as I recall, used for weapons and armor before steel was common (plain iron corrodes too easily)
Robin Bobcat 16th Jul 2017, 3:09 PM edit delete reply
Well, we haven't seen anything *identified* as aluminum. They don't need to discover the Bayer process THEY HAVE MAGIC.

"Oh, hey I wonder what happens if I take the oxygen out of a sapphire?" *poof* *clunk* "Huh."

Then you can add anodizing, and get some really lovely colors.
Guest 17th Jul 2017, 8:31 AM edit delete reply
Um, Robin Bobcat; The Bayer process simply allows you to process aluminum on a larger scale. You can still get aluminum without it, it's just much harder and hence it being really rare.
Winged Cat 15th Jul 2017, 4:21 PM edit delete reply
Winged Cat
Given how much gem work she does, is it really that much of a stretch to think Rarity is capable of whitesmithing? No forge required; it's more like sculpting.

(It also traditionally involves beating the heck out of metal using hammers. I could see her doing that for stress relief.)
Ishidan 15th Jul 2017, 9:35 PM Beating edit delete reply
It does...for creatures without telekinetic magic.
Joe the Rat 17th Jul 2017, 4:56 AM edit delete reply
Silversmithing and such - totally appropriate. Works nicely with the copper alloys as well.
Robin Bobcat 16th Jul 2017, 3:00 PM edit delete reply
Blacksmithing is an Earth Pony thing. Lots of sweat, pounding, muscles, hard work and all that.

No, we've seen Rarity transform a drape of fabric into a dress with a simple flash of sparkles. If she wanted to make a helmet, it'd be a bit of steel, then poof.

My theory on the helmet is actually a lightweight shell. A wire framework holding up stiffened pieces of satin. Harly combat-ready, but quite striking and bright.
FanOfMostEverything 15th Jul 2017, 4:52 AM edit delete reply
This seems like an apt time to point people to one of my all-time favorite pieces of pony fanart. Not sure how links work on these comments, so I'll just post the raw URL:
Digo Dragon 17th Jul 2017, 11:16 AM edit delete reply
Digo Dragon
Haha, that is pretty epic!
Cygnia 15th Jul 2017, 5:09 AM edit delete reply
Rarity invents Kevlar. This is now my headcanon. :D
ANW 15th Jul 2017, 5:22 AM edit delete reply
Reality blank
Reality chase
Ah, here it is.
Reality Check
This should be big enough.
I said I would use on the forehead.
Specter 15th Jul 2017, 8:45 AM edit delete reply
By technicality, power armor is feasible in Equestria. All that would be required is an exo-suit designed to fit comfortably on a pony, and allow several pieces of magically enchanted armor (helmet of *insert magical property this* and horseshoe(s) of *magical property that, etc.)

The only real problem is getting all of that magical equipment to cooperate with each other. Pending on DM, that won't be a problem, but to others, that much magical energy coursing through an individual would be potentially fatal. This would require (halo) genetically modified ponies to handle it, (fallout) an external power source to keep all of the parts in check, or (other game/book/movie I'm not aware of) an A.I. to handle the technical load.
Jennifer 15th Jul 2017, 11:33 AM edit delete reply
What if you gave it to unicorns, who could handle or even drive the magic?

Given the genre and tech level, I can certainly see an exo-suit, though.
Freelance 16th Jul 2017, 5:21 AM edit delete reply
Two Best Sisters Play Fallout 4.
DanielLC 15th Jul 2017, 9:48 AM edit delete reply
"Except the power armor thing; I don't think that's possible in Equestria."

You mean Fallout Equestria lied to us?
Winged Cat 15th Jul 2017, 3:25 PM edit delete reply
Winged Cat
Fallout Equestria is further along. The necessary technologies for power armor could have been invented by then (yes, even with the intervening apocalypse).
SilverShadow4 16th Jul 2017, 11:17 PM edit delete reply

It is so hard for me to get my friends to read F:E! I love it so much! I think I've read it about 4 times in 2 years? I see things all the time that remind me of something in F:E and I have nobody to talk to about it! :(
Classic Steve 15th Jul 2017, 12:03 PM edit delete reply
I'm thinking papier mache.
Philadelphus 15th Jul 2017, 1:40 PM edit delete reply
Yeah, my first thought is that it doesn't have to be metal. That, or Rarity outsourced it to someone who actually does do metalwork.
Malroth 15th Jul 2017, 2:42 PM edit delete reply
getting a brass helmet wouldnt' be paticularly difficult, just sculpt one out of wax, cover it in a block of moist sand, then pour in the molten metal
reynard61 15th Jul 2017, 7:53 PM edit delete reply
"In the episode, did Rarity actually forge a metal rainbow helmet for Rainbow Dash's custom dress? Has she also been a blacksmith this whole time?"

Most likely she sub-contracted the job out to the local blacksmith, tinsmith or coppersmith. (Dash would probably prefer tin or copper since they're lighter than iron or steel.)
aerion111 16th Jul 2017, 1:59 AM edit delete reply
Like I said, the other 5 would just be vague and say stuff that could be interpreted as the costume ideas - they wouldn't actually try to suggest them directly, like the in-show characters.
DragonQueenRachel 29th Apr 2018, 8:31 PM Not Yet edit delete reply
" least not until I get the Zebra War sourcebook, but its so expensive!"