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Pinkie: I nominate Trixie
Rainbow Dash:Second
Everyone but Trixie:Aye!
Rainbow Dash:Second
Everyone but Trixie:Aye!
Not difficult since there is only one surviving Mafia member besides Trixie, actually.
I think Twilight should step outside so she doesn't have to listen to all this...
{I'm pretty sure those are light bulbs on the mirror frame, but it does give the impression she's juggling eggs as a distraction}
{I'm pretty sure those are light bulbs on the mirror frame, but it does give the impression she's juggling eggs as a distraction}
More like she needs to get out so she won't spill the beans, she's dealing it as badly as I feared. It's obvious she's barely keeping it in, if I were the GM, would have her get out of the room, just to make sure she won't ruin the game.
Now I have half a feeling she will spill it and ruin it next day phase. >>
Now I have half a feeling she will spill it and ruin it next day phase. >>
Let's face it, one thing Twilight's player has NEVER been good at is a poker face. I hope the other "defeated" players can help her keep it in.
Also, sorry for the double post but I can't edit
Am I mistaken in thinking that the Civilians have won? There's only one Mafia left, and if it's the last Night Phase tomorrow, then unless she kills someone and convinces them she's not the Mafia then she can't win... with Pinkie a cop, RD and Doc clear, that just leaves her as the Mafia.
Am I mistaken in thinking that the Civilians have won? There's only one Mafia left, and if it's the last Night Phase tomorrow, then unless she kills someone and convinces them she's not the Mafia then she can't win... with Pinkie a cop, RD and Doc clear, that just leaves her as the Mafia.
Really poor logic by the Town today. First of all, if Pinkie is not the detective, there is a living detective somewhere who needs to counterclaim. Nobody has counterclaimed, ergo Pinkie pretty much has to be the detective.
Also, in the last Day phase, if the Town had lynched any Townie, Mafia would win. Under those circumstances, if Pinkie were a false-claiming detective, then she's almost certainly pointing to a Townie when she claims Rarity is scum. When Rarity flips Town the townies would realize that Pinkie was lying, but the game would be over already. Knowing this, a detective absolutely must counterclaim at this point. The fact that there was no counterclaim by Soarin at that point means that Pinkie has to be telling the truth.
Also, in the last Day phase, if the Town had lynched any Townie, Mafia would win. Under those circumstances, if Pinkie were a false-claiming detective, then she's almost certainly pointing to a Townie when she claims Rarity is scum. When Rarity flips Town the townies would realize that Pinkie was lying, but the game would be over already. Knowing this, a detective absolutely must counterclaim at this point. The fact that there was no counterclaim by Soarin at that point means that Pinkie has to be telling the truth.
Not necessarily. Reading this, I'm understanding the game a lot better than when I played - but I'm STILL confused. And if I were the cop, I might not realize that a counterclaim was needed.
Ah, but remember--there's only one cop left.
If it's not Pinkie, and the true cop puts forward the counterclaim, then the remaining Mafia (who, at this point, have at least two members) will certainly bump off the counter-claimer.
In theory, the Nurse could protect the counter-claimer, but that assumes the cop trusts the nurse to do that without being told to. Without knowing who the Nurse is, that's a bit of blind faith.
If it's not Pinkie, and the true cop puts forward the counterclaim, then the remaining Mafia (who, at this point, have at least two members) will certainly bump off the counter-claimer.
In theory, the Nurse could protect the counter-claimer, but that assumes the cop trusts the nurse to do that without being told to. Without knowing who the Nurse is, that's a bit of blind faith.
That might be what Twilight's player is trying REALLY hard not to point out.
Poor Twilight. This is absolutely killing her not to blurt out who's who.....
So we're down to pinkie, dash, doc and flutters, right? I'm pretty sure all but one has been investigated, so this feels like endgame here.
Always the last one you expect.....
So we're down to pinkie, dash, doc and flutters, right? I'm pretty sure all but one has been investigated, so this feels like endgame here.
Always the last one you expect.....
Well, the cops could have had a string of bad luck and kept investigating a person who was about to die.
It's not like they have the Mafia equivalent to the Soothsayer to tell the cops who is about to die.
It's not like they have the Mafia equivalent to the Soothsayer to tell the cops who is about to die.
Wait, so does Twi know who's who for sure, or is she deducing? I had forgotten she was eliminating, but that doesn't necessarily mean she was watching during the night phases.
Eliminated, sorry. Actually whether she was watching miiight be a night phase spoiler? I don't even know on this point. It's amusing, regardless.
Yes, she know. Like the DM mentioned before when Luna was lost, the bumped off are still in the room, so they get to see who's who.
More importantly, she wants them to use logical deduction to figure out who the last mafia members are, but she can't say anything.
More importantly, she wants them to use logical deduction to figure out who the last mafia members are, but she can't say anything.
So in character for Trixie.
And is Spike going to have to send Twilight out of the room, or is he enjoying watching her struggle to not tell?
Luna has been watching since the first round, what does she think of Twilight's battle with herself?
And is Spike going to have to send Twilight out of the room, or is he enjoying watching her struggle to not tell?
Luna has been watching since the first round, what does she think of Twilight's battle with herself?
What if...
Pinkie pie is still mafia but instead of trying for a win, she's trying for a tie? If that were the case, the mafia wouldn't kill anyone next night, and would wait for the town to lynch flutters, who is the last cop. Then, pinkie kills the doctor, leaving rainbow dash and pinkie being the only ones left.
Pinkie pie is still mafia but instead of trying for a win, she's trying for a tie? If that were the case, the mafia wouldn't kill anyone next night, and would wait for the town to lynch flutters, who is the last cop. Then, pinkie kills the doctor, leaving rainbow dash and pinkie being the only ones left.
What's worse? I've had games where NO ONE NOTICED IT.
I've had worse than that.
One game I narrated, a member of town managed to lynch themself accidentally. What made it worse was it was forum mafia, where you could actually count votes and think things through. They cast the deciding vote on themself.
One game I narrated, a member of town managed to lynch themself accidentally. What made it worse was it was forum mafia, where you could actually count votes and think things through. They cast the deciding vote on themself.
Why would you ever vote to lynch YOURSELF? What could you possibly gain by voting to lynch yourself? You're certainly not going to trick anybody into thinking that you are a civilian and believe yourself to be mafia, or conversely that you are mafia and believe yourself to be a civilian.
Pretty sure Nat (Trixie)'s blunder here puts the game out of reach of the mafia.
To be fair, Malroth, if someone protects Nat (Trixie) after the blunder (and not just the "I'm part of the Mafia" reference, but the "I just said that, didn't I?" reaction after), they've leveled suspicions onto themselves next day phase as being the last mafia. The smart thing of the last mafia to do is go ahead and axe Trixie then, to not draw any more attention onto themselves... though, the game is almost up, I think; Pinkie's the cop, so so long as the nurse keeps her alive, the mafia's either gonna kill the last civilian, or the nurse, I would guess based on what I've seen so far... as I am assuming that with 1 mafia left, they can't guarantee a kill on whomever the nurse is protecting.
Mafia could still win, if the townies are stupid in the next night and the Mafia manages to kill Pinkie.
So, you know, supidity ex machina
So, you know, supidity ex machina
While their chances are incredibly slim anyway, I think they'd have a better shot at winning by not killing Pinky. Pinky has already told everyone that two of the folks left are clean, if she dies and her card comes up cop they'll know she was telling the truth and know exactly who to vote for.
Leave Pinky alive then do a REALLY fricken good acting job of claiming that you are the final cop, Pinky is mafia and gave up her allies to gain the trust of the others so she could win in the end (maybe with the added point that Nat is one of the stronger players, especially when it comes to the roleplaying part, so would she really have fallen for Pinkie tricking her like that or was she actually letting her lead her?), and you kept your mouth shut so they wouldn't know who you were until it was too late.
Leave Pinky alive then do a REALLY fricken good acting job of claiming that you are the final cop, Pinky is mafia and gave up her allies to gain the trust of the others so she could win in the end (maybe with the added point that Nat is one of the stronger players, especially when it comes to the roleplaying part, so would she really have fallen for Pinkie tricking her like that or was she actually letting her lead her?), and you kept your mouth shut so they wouldn't know who you were until it was too late.
Updated role sheet:
Players:
Big Mac - civilian T4
Applejack - civilian K6
Derpy - civilian K6
Dr. Whooves - ???
Twilight - civilian K12
Trixie - Mafia T16
Rarity - Mafia T13
Fluttershy - ???
Shining - Mafia T9
Dash - ???
Soarin - Cop K15
Luna - civilian K2
Pinkie - ???
Roles
Civilian: 1/6
Cop: 1/2
Mafia: 1/4
Nurse: 1/1
Players:
Big Mac - civilian T4
Applejack - civilian K6
Derpy - civilian K6
Dr. Whooves - ???
Twilight - civilian K12
Trixie - Mafia T16
Rarity - Mafia T13
Fluttershy - ???
Shining - Mafia T9
Dash - ???
Soarin - Cop K15
Luna - civilian K2
Pinkie - ???
Roles
Civilian: 1/6
Cop: 1/2
Mafia: 1/4
Nurse: 1/1
If Pinkie Pie was a cop, and she already checked Luke and trust Rainbow (meaning she was tested her too), then she would have no problems figuring who was the remaining mafia, but she didn't.
If Pinkie Pie was a mafioso, why didn't she say something like 'Nat is not mafia, I checked her last night'? Why 'revealing' that Luke is clear, reverse psychology?
If Pinkie was neither cop nor mafia, she just said random junk... Why? No, seriously, why? Who's remaining mafia then? Luke? Rainbow Dash? Fluttershy? Spike? Me?
Actually you're right. Pinkie Pie currently has investigated all the remaining townies, which means by process of elimination she should be able to just announce both remaining mafia. They shouldn't have needed to talk Trixie in circles.
I think we can safely conclude, based on her behaviour so far, that Rainbow Dash is not mafia. (She's made no effort, for instance, to cover for the other mafia, when doing so might have kept either Shining Armor or Rarity in the game a crucial extra round.)
That means that we have three possibilities:
(1) Pinkie is mafia. But if so, why would she announce that Luke was clear, thus paving the way for Trixie to walk into her role-revealing blunder? That lengthened the odds against mafia winning considerably. Her only path to victory is being fortunate to off the cop without nurse interference, and then using the goodwill she's accumulated to convince one of the townies to turn on the other. (This is made more difficult by her announcing Luke was clear, assuming he survives the next night phase - she couldn't very well go back on that later and say he's actually mafia.)
(2) Pinkie is, as she says, the cop. If so, it follows necessarily that Luke is not mafia, and given our assumption about Rainbow Dash, that Fluttershy is. (In which case, I think her knack for being overlooked explains why Pinkie had trouble remembering who was still in... in addition to Pinkie being Pinkie, of course.)
(3) Pinkie is neither mafia nor cop. While a good thematic fit (if anyone would do such a thing, it would be Pinkie Pie), I think this is insensible. First, her takedown of Rarity was accomplished specifically on the back of her assertion of cop-ness (and of having investigated Rarity). Second, whatever pony Pinkie Pie might do, D&D gamer Pinkie Pie surely plays these sorts of games to win, and a civilian or nurse impersonating a cop by means of accusing someone else of being mafia is setting things up for disaster for the town if they're wrong.
That means that we have three possibilities:
(1) Pinkie is mafia. But if so, why would she announce that Luke was clear, thus paving the way for Trixie to walk into her role-revealing blunder? That lengthened the odds against mafia winning considerably. Her only path to victory is being fortunate to off the cop without nurse interference, and then using the goodwill she's accumulated to convince one of the townies to turn on the other. (This is made more difficult by her announcing Luke was clear, assuming he survives the next night phase - she couldn't very well go back on that later and say he's actually mafia.)
(2) Pinkie is, as she says, the cop. If so, it follows necessarily that Luke is not mafia, and given our assumption about Rainbow Dash, that Fluttershy is. (In which case, I think her knack for being overlooked explains why Pinkie had trouble remembering who was still in... in addition to Pinkie being Pinkie, of course.)
(3) Pinkie is neither mafia nor cop. While a good thematic fit (if anyone would do such a thing, it would be Pinkie Pie), I think this is insensible. First, her takedown of Rarity was accomplished specifically on the back of her assertion of cop-ness (and of having investigated Rarity). Second, whatever pony Pinkie Pie might do, D&D gamer Pinkie Pie surely plays these sorts of games to win, and a civilian or nurse impersonating a cop by means of accusing someone else of being mafia is setting things up for disaster for the town if they're wrong.
Yes, not a lot of team play by mafia this game, which has certainly contributed to the situation they're now in.
So, avoiding Night Phase Spoilers....
Assuming Pinkie says the truth and is Cop, Mafia can still win if they eliminate her this upcoming Night Phase and then manage to convince Luke who Pinkie is claiming to be safe that the other player is the Mafia. But then, the Nurse could actually focus on saving Pinkie assuming this latter is saying the truth after which she'd have all the information required to convince whoever's left of the true Mafia.
Assuming Pinkie says the truth and is Cop, Mafia can still win if they eliminate her this upcoming Night Phase and then manage to convince Luke who Pinkie is claiming to be safe that the other player is the Mafia. But then, the Nurse could actually focus on saving Pinkie assuming this latter is saying the truth after which she'd have all the information required to convince whoever's left of the true Mafia.
Newbiespud's Note: The next update is a Night Phase. Skip it for now and wait for the page after it if you want to "play along." It's also going to be the last Night Phase page. We're almost at the city limits of spoilertown!