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29th Sep 2011, 6:00 AM in Friendship is Magic, Part 1
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Epic Fantasy
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Newbiespud 29th Sep 2011, 6:00 AM edit delete
It was all I could do not to lift this monologue straight out of Erin Palette's writing. Fortunately, trying to fit all those details into this one page would've made for atrocious pacing. That's comics for ya!

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StarDream 29th Sep 2011, 6:03 AM edit delete reply
Rarity is not a marshmallow. :(
Guest 29th Sep 2011, 6:06 AM edit delete reply
Keep telling yourself that
SurfPenguin 29th Sep 2011, 11:12 AM edit delete reply
Actually, according to the best record yet of pony anatomy ( Rarity, as are all ponies is indeed actually part marshmallow...
Nezumi 23rd Feb 2012, 11:12 AM edit delete reply
Of course, said record of pony anatomy actually implies some ponies just made all that up to screw with humans.
TallTale 29th Sep 2011, 11:57 AM edit delete reply
next you'll tell me Scootaloo isn't a chicken.
reynard61 29th Sep 2011, 11:25 PM edit delete reply
Or that Fluttershy isn't a tree.
MintJelly 29th Sep 2011, 3:05 PM edit delete reply
Rarity is best marshmallow
CharginChuck 29th Sep 2011, 8:22 PM edit delete reply
Rarity is a marshmallow. Her sister is a dictionary. It's an unusual family.
Envy 29th Sep 2011, 6:24 AM edit delete reply
It amuses me how Rainbow Dash's character is so harsh towards the setting and yet chose to have flamboyant rainbow hair instead of playing Big Mac or something.
me 29th Sep 2011, 7:47 AM edit delete reply
Well, all the players I think are females. And while the design of her character is ... strange for a dungeon delving 'kill and loot' character, it might be that she had no hand in it. If someone like that sat at my table with a fairly unfinished character, yeah I'd make her hair rainbow too. Teach you not to define every aspect of your character, missy. Maybe when you die and reroll, you can have someone with less flamboyant hair. No, hair dye doesn't exist. I don't care if you're playing a half-orc barbarian named Thickhand Skullsmasher, you have rainbow hair, now deal with it. :P
Erin Palette 30th Sep 2011, 9:46 PM edit delete reply
This series is ten times more hilarious to me when I imagine the players as a diverse assortment of graybeards and neckbeards.

I doubly expect those people sitting next to Rarity's player -- who is probably a large, sweaty fellow in a black Dethklok t-shirt -- are shifting uncomfortably in their seats as he happily describes all the fabulous dresses his character is making.

It lulz me, it does.
Tatsurou 13th Oct 2012, 11:03 AM Rainbow haired Barbarian edit delete reply
If that happened to me, I'd ask the DM, "DO I get a first attack bonus because my rainbow fro makes my opponents fall over laughing?" If so, I'd be perfectly happy with a rainbow fro. Heck, I'd probably dress my half-orc barbarian in full disco regalia!
TechUnadept 10th Nov 2013, 2:08 AM oyah? edit delete reply
Disco ain't dead, but you are! Roll to-hit!
SpacePaladin 29th Sep 2011, 6:26 AM Spoiler edit delete reply
Does that mean that Prince Blueblood's behaviour at the Grand Galloping Gala is due to him being onto her and is deliberately humiliating her for being a thief?
Guest 29th Sep 2011, 7:34 AM edit delete reply
So wait, does Rainbow Dash think that Rarity being white is an impediment to marrying nobility, or just that ponies don't deserve detailed character development?
Thud 29th Sep 2011, 7:44 AM edit delete reply
One thing that always bugged me is why Equestria even has a royal family since their leader seems to be an Immortal Alicorn. Are the royals the half-breed descendants of Celestia or something?
Josh Spicer 29th Sep 2011, 8:29 AM edit delete reply
That would explain why Prince Blueblood is called that...
Moabite 29th Sep 2011, 9:00 AM edit delete reply
Lauren Faust said (with debatable seriousness) that he was the grandson some 52-times removed from Celestia and Luna's aunt or uncle on their mother's side. Technically he's a duke and not a prince, but Hasbro had the final word.

I do find it interesting that this means that Celestia and Luna likely either acquired immortality during their lifetimes or inherited it from their father.
TechUnadept 10th Nov 2013, 2:10 AM heirarchy edit delete reply
Duke Prince. Well. *Someone's* getting ideas above their station...
DB 29th Sep 2011, 9:08 AM A bit of background edit delete reply
Lauren Faust has stated that the royal sisters do (or did, it’s not clear which) have parents. She hasn’t mentioned any other close relatives—or indeed any relatives aside from the “distant nephew on Celestia’s mother’s side”. Apparently the fellow originally was supposed to be a duke, but that idea was vetoed on the grounds most audience members wouldn’t know what a duke is. So they made him a prince instead.
Z-Byte 29th Sep 2011, 1:29 PM Interesting prospect edit delete reply
It's possible that, even though the two sisters are the Princesses while there are no visible kings or queens, that they consider the Sun and Moon king and queen. The society seems to revolve around them, so even though the alicorns are the highest authority, the reverence to the heavenly bodies take precedence.
Herp 29th Sep 2011, 1:49 PM the Derp edit delete reply
Its totally possible that the Celestial Sisters are considered both gods and royalty, there is precedence in many earth cultures to take examples from. With an intermixing of their Religious duties (rising the sun and moon and basic cosmic balance a la the summer sun celebration and other shenanigens) as well as their secular duties as royalty (Grand Galloping Gala where Celestia formally welcomes Aristocratic guests)
So its entirely possible that they could fulfil their celestial roles and roles of Monarchs. Sides it could be merely equestrian law that the highest ruler (The Princess) stays a princess until married, despite sitting on the throne, like in many fairytale kingdoms where succession laws state a Prince cant become king until he is married or some nonsense, meaning the Princesses parent's would have been King and Queen in their time, but Celestia holds no such title despite ruling as both goddess and monarch but I doubt MLP:FIM will touch on this. Would be hella interesting if they did

I wish Hasbro hadn't veto'd the Duke thing, it'd make so much more sense logically and would encourage people to look up what the hell a duke even is. Nope, spoiled Prince dude.
HopeFox 30th Sep 2011, 2:21 AM edit delete reply
Lauren has stated pretty firmly that the difference between Celestia being a princess and being a queen is nothing to do with her marital status, because that's not the message she wanted to send.

While the real reason that Celestia is a Princess is, of course, the "Princesses are good, Queens are evil" thing, it does make a certain amount of sense. Celestia isn't Equestria's sole ruler, she's meant to be co-ruler with her sister. It would be highly unusual for a kingdom to have two Queens, but two Princesses is just fine. That being said, I do love the idea of Celestia and Luna's parents being some kind of higher divine or celestial entities outside Equestria.
McBehrer 29th Sep 2011, 8:18 AM edit delete reply
Yeah, it wasn't that being a white marshmallow (redundant?) pony was a detriment to her PLAN (to marry into royalty and what have you) but to her character.

so yes, "Ponies are stupid" is a pretty accurate summary.
Azureink 29th Sep 2011, 8:32 AM Social Rogues edit delete reply
I have to say that I enjoy the Social Rogue archetype more than the Backstabber. It takes a lot more finesse (and what is a proper Rogue without finesse?).
Azureink 29th Sep 2011, 8:34 AM Applejack edit delete reply
@Newbiespud: Did you see my suggestion about Applejack's stats on page 22?
DragonTrainer 29th Sep 2011, 5:19 PM edit delete reply
My guess is that the +2 for Earth Ponies went toward Constitution and not Strength.

Str 18(16)
Con 14(5) +2 = 16
Dex 11(1)
Int 10
Wis 10
Cha 08

16 + 5 + 1 = 22/22. I suspect that Applejack's player either didn't do the math right or just didn't care. :p
Guest 29th Sep 2011, 7:55 PM edit delete reply
Well, you know how she feels about fancy mathematics.
Azureink 29th Sep 2011, 8:07 PM edit delete reply
Oh. Well, that works too I suppose.
Wild Heart 29th Sep 2011, 8:53 AM edit delete reply
My neighbors have a Shetland pony. It is a TINY thing. It barely comes to my stomach, and I'm 5'3"..

Perhaps you mean horses? There IS a difference. Ponies are a specific sub-species of horse that are notably much smaller than normal, even when full grown.
noname 1st Oct 2011, 2:25 AM Small but powerful edit delete reply
Yeah, ponies're quite small, I agree. BUT ponies (especially mentioned by you Shetlands) are more powerful and more endurable than their "bigger brothers", because of that they're used as heavy draft horses. They can pull their twice weight!
Do you still think that ponies are just small and cute QUASI-HORSES?
Pinkie 3.14159265358979 30th Sep 2011, 1:54 AM edit delete reply
kriss1989 30th Sep 2011, 5:26 AM kriss1989 edit delete reply
I expect the 'poor, sick sister' gambit to pop up at some point, and then have the DM give her a sister.
Z-Byte 30th Sep 2011, 2:45 PM edit delete reply
She has one. Sweetie-Belle
me 30th Sep 2011, 6:52 PM edit delete reply
I think he means an in-comic reason, mate. Like Rarity's player says it to excuse some behavior or something and the DM makes her keep it.
kriss1989 30th Sep 2011, 9:16 PM kriss1989 edit delete reply
Of course. Why else would a PC have any actual FAMILY/hostages unless the M forces them?
SpacePaladin 30th Sep 2011, 6:00 AM edit delete reply
Oh, I was hoping for Trollestia-style behaviour.
SAFR 30th Sep 2011, 8:48 AM edit delete reply
RD: Rarity, are you a SPY?

Rarity: Gentlemen.
InfernoEevee 30th Sep 2011, 12:45 PM edit delete reply
Oh god I want that to happen so hard
Azureink 30th Sep 2011, 3:48 PM edit delete reply
Tatsurou 30th Nov 2012, 8:31 PM edit delete reply
the video isn't there...
Herp 30th Sep 2011, 9:13 AM Derp edit delete reply
Again, it actually is totally possible for their tobe two queens of Kingdom, and again prescedence, two Twin brothers ruled the Russian Empire as Dual Tsars instead of princes. Although granted I think the dowager Tsarina was ruling from behind the throne as is often the case with young rulers. Might be mixing up my Romanovs with an earlier dynasty.

I am aware of 'Why' Lauren went with Princess instead of Queen, but the explanation wouldnt be satisfactory if the question ever arose in the show itself as to why the Princesses are just princesses and posses no higher titles despite being the Highest Authority.

I suggested the fairytale succession law idea as a possible fanon explanation for their status. Unless Equestria is not so much a 'Kingdom' as much as it is One exceptionally huge Principality, like Leichenstein only FUCKHUEG, in which the highest authority would logically be the Prince or Princess. But Principalities usually don't have Dukes ruling under them. But I'm probably asking too much of a cartoon show to expect any cultural depth to pony politics
Namagem 30th Sep 2011, 8:45 PM edit delete reply
Sure it would: Principality, bitches!
suburbanbanshee 30th Sep 2011, 9:00 PM edit delete reply
A prince or princess is a "princeps", first citizen, first among equals, different in degree but not in kind.

I suspect that Celestia and Luna want to maintain this kind of sense of royalty not being totally different from the rest. And so their relatives without power still get the courtesy title. (And there's probably a lot of courtesy princes, since Rarity saw it as a goal but she didn't seem to have specific princes in mind.)
DB 1st Oct 2011, 10:36 AM Feudal hierarchy edit delete reply
It’s theoretically possible for a principality to have duchies within it, although I don’t believe it happened often in real history. Generally a duke or duchess is a noble, while a prince or princess is a royal. The distinction between royalty and nobility is very real, although like anything else it can get pretty fuzzy here and there. (Is an <i>independent</i> duke a royal or a noble?) Most folks today, especially in places that don’t have a history of European-style nobility and royalty, don’t understand and may not even know of the distinction, possibly one reason for the brouhaha over a duke.

That said, most real principalities were pretty small, if I recall correctly, and there might have been independent duchies that were larger than smaller principalities. Medieval Europe was a pretty complicated patchwork quilt, especially the Germanies. (Oh dear God, the Germanies!)

There’s a whole question of how big Equestria is, too. The writing staff has been pretty vague about it, likely because they don’t want to tie themselves down on something if they don’t have to. A friend thinks it’s as small as Liechtenstein. Another friend thinks it’s as big as France. That’s a pretty considerable difference right there.
DB 1st Oct 2011, 10:47 AM edit delete reply
Yeah, a lot of people have pointed out the absurdity of Hasbro’s argument regarding “queens are villains”. I suppose we may be seeing a game of telegraph—the real discussion might have been much more complex, but we’re only getting a simplified account. Faust herself took the opportunity in an interview to address a similar situation arising from some of her earlier off-hand comments.

Another possibility is that it was only one of several reasons they cited. A third is that the few existing examples loom disproportionately large in their minds, or loom disproportionately large in their audience’s minds, according to their thinking or market research. (Let’s not even get into what that research may actually be worth. . . .)
Herp 1st Oct 2011, 11:37 AM Derp edit delete reply
Gonna have to concede to you DB, (Das Homeligues Reich was an insane patchwork of republics, monarchies, duchies bishoprics and just about every kind of political framework under the sun, its a wonder it lasted any length of time at all what with the insane amount of cross laws)

I know we cant expect too much depth from the show, but considering it already HAS a surprising amount of depth already we can only hope that as it continues, the politics and general size of Equestria gets touched upon sooner or later (Because I simply refuse to believe a place like applossa is anywhere near to a place like Ponyville in terms of geography to justify both a train ride and its setting in a fucking desert)
Izandai 12th Oct 2011, 8:21 PM edit delete reply
Anyone else notice Rarity's expression and position, along with the fact that we can only see her head, in the last panel?
Draco Dei 25th Oct 2011, 12:52 PM Dragon OF God edit delete reply
Drive-by editing assistance:
Shouldn't it be "pass myself off" rather than "pass off" in the third panel?
Arachnos 13th Dec 2011, 1:53 PM edit delete reply
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