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Also, Newbiespud, I need ta talk to ya about something.
Why don't we give a story about something we're thankful for in regards to Tabletop?
Edit: Oh hey, top comic with an actual meaning.
Ah well, live and learn.
Zuche, Wil hosts a show about board games on Youtube called Tabletop. It's fairly entertaining.
Well, thank you. Better late than never. ;) Happy Thanksgiving to you as well.
Has the DM mentioned they're standing in the poison joke?
He mentioned a patch of bright blue flowers in passing, and said that zecora was just beyond them. No one really made the connection, clearly.
Definitely a shock when the DM tells you that you are standing in anything that requires a description. Usually something bad happens...
Didn't see Pinkie flipping coming, but she has a point. Just because it SOUNDS ominous doesn't mean she's evil.
"No one who speaks German could be evil!"
Not disagreeing with you at all. It just seemed like a fun time to quote The Simpsons.
Not disagreeing with you at all. It just seemed like a fun time to quote The Simpsons.
Poll time:
Which of the 3 Princess is the best,
Celstia
Luna
Candace
My vote is for Luna.
Which of the 3 Princess is the best,
Celstia
Luna
Candace
My vote is for Luna.
I have to agree with this, under threat of being sent to the moon.
If even said Princess doesn't have the power to do that anymore.
Celestia is best princess. She's basically Batman with better social skills, sun powers and thousands of years of prep time.
On the "Celestia is Batman" track...
Look up "As Celestia Is My Witness". It's short, but quite a fun read.
Look up "As Celestia Is My Witness". It's short, but quite a fun read.
If you want my personal opiopion(sp I know), Luna's the best because I perfer the night, And Tia or Candace would be second. Tia is like a mother figue while Candace is like a long lost sister.
Edit: It's spelled Cadence, not Candace. >.>
Regardless, either spelling could be pronounced the same way.
The spelling of the name matters more than the spelling of an English word that is similar ;) In this case though, you can go either way for now.
According to Hasbro, her name is Cadance. In the credits for the show, it is spelled Cadence. Until such time that the two canon sources settle on a single spelling, I reckon people can use whichever they prefer.
Of course, if they do settle on one way, it'll probably wind up like Apple Bloom, where people will insist on spelling it wrong regardless ;)
According to Hasbro, her name is Cadance. In the credits for the show, it is spelled Cadence. Until such time that the two canon sources settle on a single spelling, I reckon people can use whichever they prefer.
Of course, if they do settle on one way, it'll probably wind up like Apple Bloom, where people will insist on spelling it wrong regardless ;)
In-show, it's an abbreviation for "Cadenza", so either "Cadance" was a typo in the version of the "show bible" given to marketing, or they changed it to "-ance" because they were worried that "Princess Cadence" couldn't be trademarked as easily.
I'll probably continue to spell it 'Cadence', even if all official sources are changed to 'Cadance', simply because Cadence is an actual word. Though I WILL accept Cadance as legitimate if all official sources use it.
For now, though, I'm going to politely accept that others have their opinion, which I will respect. Doesn't matter if I think it's wrong, since it is -their- opinion.
It's cadence. because her name was a play on words and the story of the show Both versions of this day Aria are a referance to the name Cadence Chrissys singing was a "False Cadence" While CaCence's singing is a "True Cadence" Them ore you know.
Cadence no CaCence's :/ I don't know how I got that.
The name was almost surely based on the word cadence, but that doesn't necessarily mean the name is spelt that way. The "real word" argument has never carried weight in the realm of character names.
Some official sources have actually CHANGED from Cadence to Cadance. So I'm pretty sure the latter is intended to be official.
I don't much like it myself (I think it just looks nicer with an e), but I've switched to Cadance. I wouldn't begrudge anyone else their Cadence, though.
Some official sources have actually CHANGED from Cadence to Cadance. So I'm pretty sure the latter is intended to be official.
I don't much like it myself (I think it just looks nicer with an e), but I've switched to Cadance. I wouldn't begrudge anyone else their Cadence, though.
Given, not having spellchecker whine at me every time I type it may play a part.
The name was almost surely based on the word cadence, but that doesn't necessarily mean the name is spelt that way. The "real word" argument has never carried weight in the realm of character names.
Some official sources have actually CHANGED from Cadence to Cadance. So I'm pretty sure the latter is intended to be official.
I don't much like it myself (I think it just looks nicer with an e), but I've switched to Cadance. I wouldn't begrudge anyone else their Cadence, though.
Some official sources have actually CHANGED from Cadence to Cadance. So I'm pretty sure the latter is intended to be official.
I don't much like it myself (I think it just looks nicer with an e), but I've switched to Cadance. I wouldn't begrudge anyone else their Cadence, though.
This discuscion is longer than the poll. That's it. I know tommorow poll. End now please.
I predict she'll be an alicorn princess by the end of the season.
Even Hasbro's marketing department shouldn't be foolish enough to do that. Giving her a power boost would make it harder for her to interact with the rest of her team and harder to write stories for her.
The logical workaround would be to make _all_ of the Mane 6 alicorns, for six times the toys to sell, but that'll be the point at which it's time to switch to fan works exclusively.
The logical workaround would be to make _all_ of the Mane 6 alicorns, for six times the toys to sell, but that'll be the point at which it's time to switch to fan works exclusively.
I suspect the Crystal Empire episodes suggested a way it could work. Every princess is a living demonstration of harmony, having features of unicorn and pegasus -- and I'm confident there's something of the earth pony in each of them as well.
Perhaps the current element bearers will be able to take on similar forms when they are manifesting the most powerful displays of harmony. If it's a temporary effect, you don't have to change all that much.
I'm not saying that's a good idea. I know I couldn't make it work. It's hard to see what it adds to the story or characters, the most important things.
Perhaps the current element bearers will be able to take on similar forms when they are manifesting the most powerful displays of harmony. If it's a temporary effect, you don't have to change all that much.
I'm not saying that's a good idea. I know I couldn't make it work. It's hard to see what it adds to the story or characters, the most important things.
Luna, for reasons mentioned in yesterday's thread.
Some fan interpretations of Celestia get into the same range (the portrayal in "Scootamom", for instance), but most - including canon - fall into "it's hard to empathize with someone I'd worship" territory.
"Whom the Princesses Would Destroy" has some great Celestia/Luna moments, mostly off-screen. The food fight being among the most memorable.
Some fan interpretations of Celestia get into the same range (the portrayal in "Scootamom", for instance), but most - including canon - fall into "it's hard to empathize with someone I'd worship" territory.
"Whom the Princesses Would Destroy" has some great Celestia/Luna moments, mostly off-screen. The food fight being among the most memorable.
I can't agree with CJT: that just makes empathising with her all the more fascinating, for me.
'Sides, Luna is just as divine as Celestia, isn't she?
I'm not sure I can pick a favourite. They all have a lot of potential.
'Sides, Luna is just as divine as Celestia, isn't she?
I'm not sure I can pick a favourite. They all have a lot of potential.
Gotta go with Luna, as she is so damn adorable. Candace is a close second with her badassness.
Celestia, Trolestia, Molestia. Sun-God pony with the power to control the rotation of the planet (or maybe the rotation of the Sun)
Clestia is awesomeness that has deigned to walk the world in alicorn form.
Luna. Trollestia as a close second. Nobody likes Cadence. :P
My vote is Luna first, Cadence second, Celestia third.
Luna because she's so damn cute, and her story is truely moving.
Cadence because I'm a die hard romantic, and she's the embodiment of romance.
As for Celestia...I just can't manage to empathyze with her with how she's presented in the show. She's said emotional words, but her voice has had barely any actual emotion in it. In essence, I just don't know her.
Luna because she's so damn cute, and her story is truely moving.
Cadence because I'm a die hard romantic, and she's the embodiment of romance.
As for Celestia...I just can't manage to empathyze with her with how she's presented in the show. She's said emotional words, but her voice has had barely any actual emotion in it. In essence, I just don't know her.
Celestia is second for me, because I'd kill for a reasonable and reliable leader. I can see how her voice might make her sound distant, but for me, her personality shines through her actions. (Yes, that pun was intentional.) The voice is probably because she's required to have a 'royal bearing' at all times.
Cadence comes in last because I don't know her. I can appreciate the romance angle, but for both episodes she's been in, she's essentially been a prop. She doesn't do much in the season two finale until the very end and she lets Shining Armor do all the talking in season three.
She's basically just there to give the episodes a sense of urgency. And to be used as a javelin. (Admittedly, that was amusing, but it's not a character trait.)
Time is Up. all future votes are null and void.
Sun:9
Moon:11
Love:1
Cadence/Cadance lost big time.
The winner is LUNA!
Sun:9
Moon:11
Love:1
Cadence/Cadance lost big time.
The winner is LUNA!
And as the winner, she gets snuggle up with everyone who voted for her...Hey that means me as well. Yay.
Luna:come and get your snuggles, ANW, Kiana, CJT, Atosen, Valron, JR Klein, Boden King, Tatsurou, and shineyoukboy.
Celestia:A close second, I can live that easily.
Cadence:I'm the princess of love, but only one vote.
Yeah sorry about that.
Luna:come and get your snuggles, ANW, Kiana, CJT, Atosen, Valron, JR Klein, Boden King, Tatsurou, and shineyoukboy.
Celestia:A close second, I can live that easily.
Cadence:I'm the princess of love, but only one vote.
Yeah sorry about that.
I like Luna the most because she's the freakin' moon princess and her archaic speech is both awesome and adorable. I respect Celestia the most because she's proven herself an adept ruler, able to balance order and chaos for a harmonious and generally Good state. (Part of that might be colored by my first pony OC's irrational hatred of Celestia... he blames her for some atrocities committed by officers in her army without her knowledge.)
Cadence... okay, she's awesome too, but too much of her awesomeness that I think of when evaluating them is fanon, even compared to the others.
Cadence... okay, she's awesome too, but too much of her awesomeness that I think of when evaluating them is fanon, even compared to the others.
Maybe I'm missing the meta. Is this a case where players are at risk of getting their characters killed at the next zebra crossing?
It's because the characters are second-guessing themselves and the DM. You get the thinking of 'she looks evil, but since the looks evil the DM will expect me to treat her like she's evil, so maybe the DM is tricking me and she's good? Or maybe the DM realizes I'm thinking this way and she really is as evil as she looks?'
It's meta because they're taking into account that they're playing a game.
It's meta because they're taking into account that they're playing a game.
Thank you. I just wasn't sure how this conversation was more meta than most of the ones we've seen to date.
And the many pointy things that I collect.
Your turn.
I'm thankful for my family, both old and new, along with him above. And of cource for Newbie spud for the great comics.
Ponies and D&D shouldn't go together, and yet he does so well. Mi Gusta. And of cource, for guys who make great comments.
Thank you everyone.
Enjoy your Thanksgiving.
Ponies and D&D shouldn't go together, and yet he does so well. Mi Gusta. And of cource, for guys who make great comments.
Thank you everyone.
Enjoy your Thanksgiving.
I'm thankful for ponies (even if Season Three got off to a bad start, in my opinion) and D&D (even if Next is getting off to a bad start, in my opinion), and I'm thankful that they TOTALLY GO TOGETHER, because don't let anybody or anypony tell you different!
I'm thankful for Paizo Publishing for putting out awesome adventures and picking up my preferred variant of my gaming habit (Go Pathfinders!). Hey somebody had to say it.
Thankful for my muse, when she sticks around. There'd be a lot of fun I'd miss out on having if it weren't for some of the story or project ideas I've gotten.
I am thankful for being able to hold this holiday in a warmer time. I am grateful for a family that mostly tolerates me.
I'm thankful that new-job and new-apartment are working out, and are close enough to old-city and old-job that I can visit friends/relatives and wrap up unfinished old-work on the weekend.
I'm thankful for the FiM episodes that I've enjoyed, and the fanfics and fan-art I've enjoyed.
I'm thankful that I have people to share pumpkin cookies with, as otherwise I'd eat far too many of them. (I bake these twice a year - Canadian Turkey Day and Halloween - and bake shortbread cookies around Christmas time.)
I'm thankful for the FiM episodes that I've enjoyed, and the fanfics and fan-art I've enjoyed.
I'm thankful that I have people to share pumpkin cookies with, as otherwise I'd eat far too many of them. (I bake these twice a year - Canadian Turkey Day and Halloween - and bake shortbread cookies around Christmas time.)
I'm thankful for all the people who put up with me, the delishy foodstuffs that are about to be consumed, and for these comments, as they make really good DM advice >:D. Also, my character is thankful for deus ex machinas, +4 DEX, and the +2 Dagger of Wonder.
"Dagger of Wonder"? That sounds like a setup for far too many interesting anecdotes.
("Goblins" actually had a full table up for the "shield of wonder" they'd shown early in the strip. Ludicrously deadly effects ahoy.)
("Goblins" actually had a full table up for the "shield of wonder" they'd shown early in the strip. Ludicrously deadly effects ahoy.)
My DM set it up that every time i hit with the dagger of wonder, he brought out the "D100 table of WHEEEEE!". There was one time did sneak attack damage to a guard only to turn him into an adult dragon. Needless to say the party was none too happy about the angry dragon.
Would they have put a copy of that table online, by any chance? It's the sort of thing my current gaming group would get a laugh out of (though I'm not saying it would actually get used).
I am thankful first for friends, and by correlation God and tabletop RPGs. To make a long story short, I didn't have friends in Elementary School, prayed, got one, prayed, got another, etc. By Senior year of High School my D&D group from Middle School had gone from 3 to 11. Eventually I prayed to make friends on my own and now I have Pinkie Pie tendencies.
I am thankful for family, due to mine being awesome in a geeky way and my BBBFFs (I have two!), who brought me into D&D when I was 8. My family has its ups and downs like most families, but I am glad there are so many ups. Plus, one of my BBBFFs is also a brony, so we can share that (and video games, cats, anime, D&D, et cetera...).
I am thankful for God for making SCIENCE, geekdom, nerddom, creativity, fun, comedy, tragedy (though I would prefer it stay in fiction), and everything.
I am thankful for Tesla. And a bunch of other cool people, but he is the one I would like to note.
I am thankful for cats. Without my cat Trixie, I would probably have committed suicide from depression when I was 10. I consider my cats little guardian angels.
I am thankful for MLP and bronies as it has brought new faith to me both for the internet community and children's cartoons. And is completely awesome. Through this I am thankful for all that make it possible.
I am thankful for violence in fiction. I like it a lot and would like it to stay in fiction.
I am thankful for family, due to mine being awesome in a geeky way and my BBBFFs (I have two!), who brought me into D&D when I was 8. My family has its ups and downs like most families, but I am glad there are so many ups. Plus, one of my BBBFFs is also a brony, so we can share that (and video games, cats, anime, D&D, et cetera...).
I am thankful for God for making SCIENCE, geekdom, nerddom, creativity, fun, comedy, tragedy (though I would prefer it stay in fiction), and everything.
I am thankful for Tesla. And a bunch of other cool people, but he is the one I would like to note.
I am thankful for cats. Without my cat Trixie, I would probably have committed suicide from depression when I was 10. I consider my cats little guardian angels.
I am thankful for MLP and bronies as it has brought new faith to me both for the internet community and children's cartoons. And is completely awesome. Through this I am thankful for all that make it possible.
I am thankful for violence in fiction. I like it a lot and would like it to stay in fiction.
This comment is so full of win, aylatrigger!! :-D
I'm thankful for my parents for raising me well, my job, and my heritage for being proud and illustrious. I'm also thankful for all of you for getting me to think about these things and for providing quality bonus content for Newbie's great comic.
I am thankful Thanksgiving was a month ago. :)
Applebloom's size seems a bit variable, eh? From panels 3 to 4, she seems to have a sudden growth spurt.
Applebloom's size seems a bit variable, eh? From panels 3 to 4, she seems to have a sudden growth spurt.
Panels 3, 7, and 8 seem to be consistent; it looks like they just shrank her for panel 6.
Wait... how many Canadians do we have here? I'm counting at least three right now.
I'm thankful for my friends, family, video games, board games, RPs, the internet, my life, pop culture, the world, the sun, the solar system, the galaxy, space, time, the 4th dimension, all the alternative plains of existence - as well as the three cool RP groups I'm currently involved with.
I'm also thankful that my first ever scratch-built campaign, the P-Files, hasn't crashed and burned... yet (:
I'm also thankful that my first ever scratch-built campaign, the P-Files, hasn't crashed and burned... yet (:
It is. My favorite face to make whenever the party cleric has a "fail-proof" plan to catch the criminal.
I've never noticed how cute Apple Bloom looks in this scene.
On second thought, Batman: The Brave and the Bold may not be the best of research for canon.
Still has the best Aquaman, though.
Like most comic book long runners, Etrigan's alignment depends on the writer. Alan Grant's version performed a musical in a bid to conquer Hell ("Bub, I've got you, 'bub.") and converted to a fundamental Christian sect in order to win the U.S. presidency so he'd be able to nuke Hell from orbit after the previous goal didn't quite pan out, so he was kind of the chaotic evil side. The Cosmic Odyssey version had a co-dependent relationship with his host. The Alan Moore version in Swamp Thing made a deal with Jason Blood that they would each become more like the other, and executed it in the most effectively lawful evil fashion possible -- because as Blood became more and more like Etrigan over the years, Etrigan in turn became more and more like Etrigan as well. Get Keith Giffen and J.M. deMatteis involved, however, and you get someone of a more neutral evil bent, at least as commonly depicted back before 3rd edition, where it was an alignment both mercenary and apathetic.
His current depiction by Paul Cornell puts him somewhere between neutral and chaotic evil. Paranoid. Possessive. Always looking for advantage in a game he's always trying to be first to sabotage, since losing everything is worth it if it hurts anyone who might be plotting against him. Fun times.
As for Aquaman, yes, it's certainly one of the best versions, as much as I enjoy Peter David's take on Atlantis and Bruce Timm's take on Pater David's barbarian king version of the sea king. I laughed when Justice League presented the Justice League vs. a DCU version of the Defenders, but Aquaman vs. the "Wonder Twins" was also priceless.
His current depiction by Paul Cornell puts him somewhere between neutral and chaotic evil. Paranoid. Possessive. Always looking for advantage in a game he's always trying to be first to sabotage, since losing everything is worth it if it hurts anyone who might be plotting against him. Fun times.
As for Aquaman, yes, it's certainly one of the best versions, as much as I enjoy Peter David's take on Atlantis and Bruce Timm's take on Pater David's barbarian king version of the sea king. I laughed when Justice League presented the Justice League vs. a DCU version of the Defenders, but Aquaman vs. the "Wonder Twins" was also priceless.
So far as I know, the demon itself is evil, and is merely reigned in a bit by the man, Jason Blood. (though apparently that depends on the writer)
Brave anf the Bold Aquaman is too showy for my tastes.
I prefere Justice League Aquaman.
They're both good in their own ways though and both far, far better than the Super Friends version. I don't think the character is ever going to live that show down.
I prefere Justice League Aquaman.
They're both good in their own ways though and both far, far better than the Super Friends version. I don't think the character is ever going to live that show down.
Also, BATB endeared me for having one of the best one-shot villains of all time. The Music Meister!
[edit]: Super Friends Aquaman had one power I wouldn't mind having. He doesn't need water balloons to start a water fight.He just turns down the cohesiveness of his water balls, and they're okay to ambush random people with!
Yeah, that was one of my favourite episodes. One of my favourite scenes, however, involved the Haunted Tank. I saw the gag coming, but thinking they wouldn't dare use it, laughed so very hard when they proved me wrong.
It was also the one scene I needed to show my brother. It also pleased him greatly.
It was also the one scene I needed to show my brother. It also pleased him greatly.
They're kinda getting set up with no warning (and as far as they know, they didn't even get into the flowers, to their knowledge). They'd probably get chances to roll passive saves as well, regardless of knowing/not knowing.
It's possible that the description given to the players isn't shown because, well, it would be redundant since we can SEE the scene they're imagining.
Who says Zecora didn't come into contact with poison joke? If you've got the remedy back home, the best way to lure pursuers into your "trap" is by walking into it yourself.
As for how suspicious they might have been about the flower patch, they're playing ponies in a land where flowers are raised as food. It blends in fairly easily as descriptive text, especially if the DM provides a lot of this (which seems essential to this setting). Maybe they'd have been more alert if the flowers were described as red, which we tend to associate more with danger. Maybe if these were plants that would leave visual cues of the danger they present, they'd have been suspicious, but poison joke isn't likely to be strewn with the bones of its victims.
As for how suspicious they might have been about the flower patch, they're playing ponies in a land where flowers are raised as food. It blends in fairly easily as descriptive text, especially if the DM provides a lot of this (which seems essential to this setting). Maybe they'd have been more alert if the flowers were described as red, which we tend to associate more with danger. Maybe if these were plants that would leave visual cues of the danger they present, they'd have been suspicious, but poison joke isn't likely to be strewn with the bones of its victims.
So no issue here, I don't think.
Likely everyone ignored the 'blue flowers' bit to focus on whether or not to go after Zecora, and now whether it not she's evil. They'll probably remember when the effects of the Joke kick in.
Ah yes, good 'ol Meta.
In a modern X-Files game I ran the players once stumbled upon a strange alien ship who's inside geometry didn't follow physics. In fact, it followed "MetaPhysics".
Whatever Meta/OOC stuff the players would say, it was what comprised the next room in the alien ship. The party shaman joked about this ship needing a pool and it could be the alien version of Titanic. The next room-- Olympic Swimming Pool.
They didn't catch on until the team sniper mentioned that someone on this ship was pilling his leg and then he nearly loses one to a xenomorph that came up from a floor drain and tried eating his toes. :D
Good times.
Ah, I'm thankful for players that easily amuse me.
In a modern X-Files game I ran the players once stumbled upon a strange alien ship who's inside geometry didn't follow physics. In fact, it followed "MetaPhysics".
Whatever Meta/OOC stuff the players would say, it was what comprised the next room in the alien ship. The party shaman joked about this ship needing a pool and it could be the alien version of Titanic. The next room-- Olympic Swimming Pool.
They didn't catch on until the team sniper mentioned that someone on this ship was pilling his leg and then he nearly loses one to a xenomorph that came up from a floor drain and tried eating his toes. :D
Good times.
Ah, I'm thankful for players that easily amuse me.
I wonder how the Poison Joke effects are going to go. Specifically, Flutterguy. I'm envisioning the DM bringing in a voice-changer. (A friend had a DM who did stuff like that, and Pinkie's player brought a rubber chicken that one time...)