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Newbiespud 5th Jun 2021, 6:00 AM edit delete
Newbiespud
This page brought to you by the realization that I've made this mistake myself multiple times by now, and an attempt to research a definitive answer revealing that multiple official sources are inconsistent! So heck with it, I'm making it canon now. It will never be consistent as long as I have anything to say about it.
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Achtungnight 5th Jun 2021, 6:01 AM edit delete reply
I always thought it was Star-Swirl with a hyphen. Can my opinion be the third faction?
Borg 5th Jun 2021, 8:49 AM edit delete reply
I think that's what's called "angering both sides."
DanielLC 5th Jun 2021, 11:50 AM edit delete reply
Lies! It's StarSwirl, with CamelCase.
jy3 5th Jun 2021, 1:11 PM edit delete reply
No! It's star_swirl, with an underscore, snake_case!
CharginChuck 5th Jun 2021, 4:16 PM edit delete reply
CharginChuck
It's actually Stars Whirl. I can see where the confusion comes from.
Stormy Tinker 6th Jun 2021, 12:49 PM edit delete reply
STARS WIRL

Epi so divy

A GNU HOPE

It is a time of civil war. Rebel spaceships, striking from a hidden base...
aylatrigger 6th Jun 2021, 7:10 PM edit delete reply
And actually the Breaded. He just really loved bread.
Stormy Tinker 7th Jun 2021, 2:48 PM edit delete reply
Stars Whirl the the Braided - He liked Challa.
AnAnAnon 8th Jun 2021, 6:40 AM edit delete reply
Common misconception: he was actually Stars Whirl the Beer Dad.
Dude would get so drunk that stars would whirl around his head.
Raven 5th Jun 2021, 6:34 AM edit delete reply
Maybe he’s from ye olden dayes when spelling wasn’t formalized?
Anvildude 5th Jun 2021, 7:13 AM edit delete reply
It's Starfwirl, of course! Letter replacement? What's that?
Chakat Firepaw 7th Jun 2021, 10:45 AM edit delete reply
Yep, consider that the 'canonical' spelling of Shakespeare is simply the one that his friends and co-workers happened to use when they put together a collection of his plays. During his life he wasn't even consistent with the spelling in his signature, much less in more general use.
Digo 5th Jun 2021, 7:28 AM edit delete reply
Bwahaha, this is a bit of brilliant "take that" to certain arguments in fandoms. XD
Borg 5th Jun 2021, 8:55 AM edit delete reply
One of my college roommates had the last name Bandyopadhyay. It is an eternal mystery how to pronounce that, because he refused to tell anyone. He even got his mom to refuse to say the one time we met her. And of course nobody who isn't specifically Bengali knows how to pronounce Bengali names, so we didn't know any third parties who could help.

I think this bothered other people more than it bothered me. I was perfectly sanguine exercising the authorization to pronounce it any way I like.
jimbotherisenclown 5th Jun 2021, 10:45 PM edit delete reply
I don't know how long ago this was, but nowadays, the internet makes it an easy mystery to solve, especially since several prominent Indian officials have the same last name. For the curious, check the link here: https://youtu.be/iOsz8PHsuWk?t=6 . (If you can't view the link for whatever reason, it's pronounced bahnd-oo-pahd-YAY. It sounds to my untrained ear like there is a devoiced y at the start of the second syllable, similar to the devoiced vowels that frequently show up at the end of verbs in Japanese.)
Fhaolan 5th Jun 2021, 9:00 AM edit delete reply
It doesn't help that there were Starswirls in the previous generations. The G2 one was actually called out as 'Magic Starswirl'. And they were all mares, of course. Before the G4 version actually showed up in the animation, my headcannon was that 'the Bearded' was because he was actually trans. (Old gay slang being that 'growing a beard' is to take on a overly male attribute to hide the fact you were gay, like a beard. Often a wife of a gay man was referred to as 'his beard'. I dunno if that slang is still in use anywhere. I'm old. :) )
A Quiet Reader 5th Jun 2021, 10:42 AM edit delete reply
While a girlfriend/wife is still referred to as a gay man's "beard," the phrase "growing the beard" is now commonly used to describe when a show/franchise/etc comes into its own. TvTropes defines it as "the definitive moment when a series begins to become noticeably better in quality." The opposite of Jumping the Shark, if you will.
Emtu 5th Jun 2021, 10:05 AM edit delete reply
I overlooked the 'in' the first time through the last panel.

"Am I... the Star Swirl the Bearded fandom...?"
Winged Cat 5th Jun 2021, 10:20 AM edit delete reply
Winged Cat
It might well be a small fandom.
Wulfraed 5th Jun 2021, 10:11 AM edit delete reply
Starswirl can join in with Niklaus Wirth (Pascal/Modula-2/Oberon).

Supposedly he responded to a request on how to pronounce his name with "You can call me by name, or call me by value". Meaning "virt" or "worth"
Guest 5th Jun 2021, 10:17 AM edit delete reply
This reminds me of the classic debate about Чебышевъ's name (often spelled as Чебышёв or Chebyshev). His name is *of course* pronounced with a stressed [of] or [ov], and everyone who stresses the first syllable and reduces the last syllable to [ɪf]/[ef]/[ɪv]/[ev] is *wrong*.
Guest 5th Jun 2021, 10:51 AM edit delete reply
There is no "right" way to spell Starswirl's name, just like there is no "right" way to spell Shakespeare's name. He lived a thousand ago, probably spoke Old or Middle Ponish, and back then the spelling wasn't standardized. He wrote his own name as "Willm Shakp", "William Shaksper", "Wm Shakspe", "William Shakspere", "Willm Shakspere", and "William Shakspeare".

(yes, those two "he"s refer to different names in the first sentence, I hope you got confused by it :D)
Wulfraed 6th Jun 2021, 7:34 AM edit delete reply
While StarSwirl goes back over 1000 years, Shakespeare is relatively modern -- only around 420 years ago.

A 1000 years back is Chaucer's "Canterbury Tales", middle english. Before that is "Beowulf", old english (when it looked a lot like german, what with prefixes and suffixes to indicate subject/object, verb tense, etc.). Also before the great vowel shift.
Guest 6th Jun 2021, 11:09 PM edit delete reply
While that is true, I think Ponish changes significantly slower than English. For example, Luna's dialect after she come back from her 1000-year-old banishment was mostly mutually intelligible with Modern Ponish.

(Or maybe Equestrian years are much shorter than ours? That would also explain why the castle of the two sisters hasn't been reduced to a pile of rubble in 1000 years...)
albedoequals1 5th Jun 2021, 11:02 AM edit delete reply
albedoequals1
Starre Swyrl of the Byrded Face
Philadelphus 5th Jun 2021, 6:50 PM edit delete reply
Philadelphus
I can see why he's got a fandom, being the only known pony with a beard (I've only seen up through season four, so I may be wrong about later seasons).

Are we sure he wasn't secretly a goat in disguise?
Chiaroscuro 5th Jun 2021, 9:48 PM edit delete reply
You've forgotten Zipporwhill's dad! (Who's apparently 'Nightjar'). And there's been some other bearded stallions, but I think Starswirl is the one with the most epic beard (And also , y'know, major magician pony.)
Guest 6th Jun 2021, 10:18 PM edit delete reply
I'm not sure that's a beard. It looks like it's made of the same stuff as his shirt. He's probably just wearing a facemask improperly.

(he appears in S4E14, about 10 minutes in)
Guest 6th Jun 2021, 10:40 PM edit delete reply
Sunburst also has a beard (But I think that's S6+).
Wulfraed 6th Jun 2021, 7:36 AM edit delete reply
Not a goat... That was Discord disguising himself as Grogar...

But I think all the others seen with beards simply had small goatees, rather than that biblical mass of hair.
Eroraf 6th Jun 2021, 4:36 PM edit delete reply
OI! SPOILERS! What part of "only seen up through season four" do you not understand?!
Jane Dodo 6th Jun 2021, 12:28 PM edit delete reply
I love the vibes on this page. This is *exactly* how worldbuilding happens in my tabletop group.
Debate 7th Jun 2021, 11:36 AM edit delete reply
A little question about a name, opened a big lore mine for the GM, and now there is even lore about him, and just from asking about the correct name... Did something similar happen to anyone?
Cliff_Robotnik 9th Jun 2021, 6:19 AM edit delete reply
Inb4 the twist is his name is Stars Whirl, and not Star Swirl OR Starswirl.

And he got annoyed cuz even people who know say one if the other two on the sheer fact it's less awkward to say.