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30th Jun 2018, 6:00 AM in The Return of Harmony, Part 1
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Newbiespud 30th Jun 2018, 6:00 AM edit delete
The real problem with highly visible curses like this is that even an experienced roleplayer isn't going to be able to pull it off perfectly. Something's probably going to slip through whether they intend to or not.

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Aeshdan 30th Jun 2018, 6:17 AM edit delete reply
Yeah, this is one of the potential weaknesses in the curse. There's no way Applejack can avoid revealing at least some truth, so if she put herself in the right frame of mind, she could twist the curse into self-contradiction. Which would probably either overload it or burn out her mind...
The Old One 30th Jun 2018, 3:51 PM edit delete reply
Kudos to AJ's player for not going ooc. I know a horde of players that would have cheerfully blabbed the whole thing and nodded cleverly about being ooc.
T 2nd Jul 2018, 1:20 AM edit delete reply
I still defend that AJ curse extremely easy to beat. She can't reveal the truth so all she have to do is say the opposite of it all the time. It will clearly be inconsistent and the other players will get that she is speaking the opposite of what she means. "I got blessed and I can only speak the truth! For example: this rock is white! *points at black rock*"
CCC 2nd Jul 2018, 2:01 AM edit delete reply
That would be revealing the truth through implication. Specifically disallowed by the curse.
T 3rd Jul 2018, 11:03 PM edit delete reply
Not at all. People will figure it out themselves but the player never revealed the truth herself.
redwings1340 2nd Jul 2018, 1:43 PM edit delete reply
I think ignoring the curse and refusing to talk about what happened would be the best solution. Discord never forced her to lie, just forced her to not reveal. The lying and gaslighting was an idea given to her by discord, in order to try and distract AJ from the fact he never forced her to do this.

Ultimately, this is going to be Discord's loophole when he finally reveals how AJ could have gotten out of this curse and his justification for how he's keeping it fair.

Applejack is trying to think about how to beat this curse, but this curse relies focusing on it in order to be effective.
Discord 30th Jun 2018, 6:23 AM edit delete reply
Now who should I torme...I mean wait, I was right the first time around, torment next?
Pop the the pink balloon
Scare Shutterfhy
Make miss uncommon pure white
I would tell the colorful one not to cheat, but I think she got the shock.
BackSet 30th Jun 2018, 9:30 AM edit delete reply
You know. I got nothing on this one. You win this rpund discord! But I will be back! And I will outdiscord you! This time, it's personal!
Rainbow Dash 30th Jun 2018, 6:28 AM edit delete reply
Why go through the maze, when I can go through the maze.
Ow, what "the walls are conductive."
Oh come o, hfgufuydiyfugfhxugjxhg.
"Note the signs are also conductive."
Needling Haystacks 1st Jul 2018, 9:13 AM edit delete reply
There comes a point when that sort of thing seems too much like an obnoxious kid going 'nuh-uh!' everytime something does go their way.

In this case, though, it was laid out reasonably under the 'no cheating' clause.
Akouma 30th Jun 2018, 7:54 AM edit delete reply
Reminds me of my first game I DM'd. Two of my players had accepted the "blessing" of a demon, which gave then some bizonkers buff that I don't even remember. The downside? This demon was a comedian. The characters who took the buff had to laugh and smile always. In hindsight, that was an unfun and lame thing to do, but at the time it was spectacularly funny to watch the players (who were playing the two most loner mccoolguy characters ever) read the note explaining the curse then suddenly they're all smiles any everyone else at the table is weirded out all to hell.
DeS_Tructive 1st Jul 2018, 5:25 AM edit delete reply
I disagree. The only unfun part was that it was mandatory. If you'd worded it as "This buff remains in place for as long as you are cheerful." It would have been perfectly fine.
Greenhornet 30th Jun 2018, 10:29 AM edit delete reply
A perception roll is unnecessary in Twi's case. AJ is acting evasive and odd and Twi's KNOWS that Discord is screwing with them.
The beauty of it is that the rules of AJ's curse makes it hard to beat.
There's another way to do it:
If a party knows that a character always lies, they can just do the opposite of what they advise. To prevent that, the DM can curse someone to lie MOST of the time. "I'll roll a die. On a three or four, I'll signal you to tell the truth."
Classic Steve 30th Jun 2018, 10:59 AM edit delete reply
"Ah don't think that's wise right now" is the truth! But then, on the show, she did manage to say one true thing when Dash left.
The MunchKING 30th Jun 2018, 11:27 AM edit delete reply
The MunchKING
That was OOC though. Applejack has to deceive, Discord has no power over the player.
Albert 30th Jun 2018, 11:44 AM edit delete reply
He kind of _does_, though. If she doesn't play along, de Lancie can argue to Lauren that she's cheating and thus they forfeit the Elements of Harmony.
albedoequals1 30th Jun 2018, 12:49 PM edit delete reply
Forfeit the elements of harmony that he wasn't going to give them anyway? As far as I can tell, Discord just gave AJ an impossible task, and if AJ fails, Discord loses. Pretty awful tactic in the long run, and super annoying in the short term.
Digo Dragon 2nd Jul 2018, 8:03 AM edit delete reply
Digo Dragon
Well, it's the truth, but doesn't reveal anything about what actually happened to AJ.
Hankroyd 30th Jun 2018, 1:02 PM edit delete reply
I guess I am lucky to have players that don't mind to betray each others for personnal gain or just chaos.

It means I have no problem to force them doing shady stuff ... but on the other hand, why ask them to switch side, they do it so well on their own ...
Guest 30th Jun 2018, 6:12 PM edit delete reply
There's only one thing better than a chaotic party that likes to betray each other:

A chaotic party that likes to betray each other, and won't stay dead.
Everglue Horace 1st Jul 2018, 3:27 AM edit delete reply
Yes, how exactly does one define an undead (if not undying) creature like a doodle or scribble that's not much different from Daffy Duck or Mxyzptlk which is technically a golem/PC avatar if not a planeswalker animated through the imagination or mind. Does something that will remain an existing entity so long as it is remembered, improvised, recreated, or otherwise similar count as a Zombie.
darkgloomie 1st Jul 2018, 5:39 AM edit delete reply
"Paranoia" isn't exactly an ideal to aspire to. I guess your PCs are happy little Troubleshooters at the hand of Friend Computer, at least?
Hankroyd 1st Jul 2018, 12:42 PM edit delete reply
They aren't paranoid.
They are ... willing to seize opportunities.

We play in nowadays settings. PC being a team of Angels or Demons (depending of the side chosen at the beginning of the campaign.) trying to help or corrupt humanity. (Think a world like Buffy/Supernatural/Ghosted)

I will never play Paranoia with them. The Computer is not ready for them.
Everglue Horace 1st Jul 2018, 2:30 PM edit delete reply
What is the setting you are using? I only know of In Nomine, Deadlands, or Holy Lands beyond the usual basic sets or cinematic worlds And, ironically enough Deadlands and Army of Darkness are the only world seeds I've read from cover to cover if you don't count the Courage is Magic or the First season ROAN setting.

Also, I kind of put angels and demons into the same category myself. I don't want to assume I'd know what they look like or that I could recognize them as such, but it's been established they can take on the appearance of humans or winged humans. And, even that could just be the human imagination since I understand we(humans presumably) have a built in "perceptual filter" for reality in much the same way news media has a 12 second delay for live feeds.

This also brings up questions for how you define human as well. Because, if there are five states of matter and 'GOD' and 'DOG' (in place of monster, pony, or rabbit for ease of metaphor or simile) are immediately included in the two basic states of man would the other states be Angel, Demon, etc. Not to mention if Angels/Demons are the two states of a different species then what are the other states of their nature?
Hankroyd 2nd Jul 2018, 12:56 PM edit delete reply
It's In Nomine Satanis/Magna Veritas (the RPG that was adapted to 'In Nomine' in the US.)

I master it since '95 and it is the RPG i like to master the most (Urban settings, good humor and simple rules are great to make beginner discover what a RPG is.)

Now, we play for fun, I don't dwell too much on the philosophical stuff. PC are super powered spirits living in a human body and we roll with it.
Everglue Horace 1st Jul 2018, 3:28 AM edit delete reply
Case in point...