Page 95 - In the Aftermath

15th Mar 2012, 6:00 AM
In the Aftermath
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Newbiespud 15th Mar 2012, 6:00 AM edit delete
Newbiespud
Where does Trollestia/Tyrantlestia come from? Well...

You've got the whole "I knew what would happen despite statements to the contrary" going on, which paints her as a Chessmaster at least. For one brief shot (panel 4), there is a moment where Celestia is very imposing and stern-looking towards her younger sister. And the entire time, Princess Luna is switching between panicking and cowering, avoiding eye contact at all costs.

This is the first time we see the Princesses, and the messages are a little mixed.

152 Comments:

technopony 15th Mar 2012, 6:09 AM edit delete reply
Campaign intro. In the words of Cole Macgrath, "oh hell yes" >:)
Brony Is Magic 15th Mar 2012, 6:11 AM edit delete reply
I agree with that being the base for Tyrantlestia (along with her sending her enemies to the moon or turning them to stone), but I have no idea where Trollestia comes from. Or Molestia, for that matter. Anyone care to explain?
Demonu 15th Mar 2012, 6:25 AM edit delete reply
Demonu
Trollestia comes from the fact that, if Celestia just bothered to tell the mane six what was going on, a whole lot could have been prevented.

Like during A bird in the Hoof: she could have just told Fluttershy "Philomeena is a phoenix and she's about to be reborn." so that Fluttershy wouldn't panic that much.
Or when the Cakes were serving her tea: instead of just flat-out telling them that everything was oké, she decides to prank them.
Or how about sending only 2 tickets for the Gala to Twilight? She knew that Twilight had made friends, she could have easily send 6 (+1 for Spike) but no, she had to have Twilight learn something about friendship.
Or one of the biggest: instead of telling Twilight all about Nightmare Moon, "Nope, go do something seemingly irrelevant to the impending apocalypse without me telling you anything. Have fun!"

Of course, in hindsight this might portray Celestia as a Chessmaster but when taken out of context, most of it just seems to be for teh lulz.

I have no idea where Molestia comes from. I think someone just did a play on words and the Internet decided to roll with it.
Brony Is Magic 15th Mar 2012, 6:29 AM edit delete reply
Oh. Thanks, and for making things clear you get this- http://knowyourmeme.com/videos/14043-my-little-pony-friendship-is-magic
mrjl 15th Mar 2012, 9:19 AM edit delete reply
I think it's based on the fact she takes in young ponies as "apprentices"

Mejui 15th Mar 2012, 9:52 AM edit delete reply
To be fair to Celestia regarding the Gala tickets, I think it's safe to assume she meant the two she sent to be for Twilight and Spike (who might like the excuse to return to Canterlot). It probably didn't occur to her until the letter at the end that Twilight's other five friends wanted to come.
Guest 21st Mar 2012, 12:05 AM edit delete reply
or maybe she expected Twilight to BRING A DATE? Anyway, invitation-plus-one is the standard, Miss Manners approach for giving out invites to a party.
Raxon 16th Jun 2012, 10:13 AM edit delete reply
Or she suspected that Twilight might even have a very special somepony by then.
Rugsrat 16th Mar 2012, 5:45 AM edit delete reply
There's also the fact that Celestia gave tickets to the Gala to the Mane 6, knowing that the Gala was always terribly boring, and hoping that the group would do something to "liven things up". Meaning she figured/hoped the group would do something crazy. And they did. Celestia, in her 1000 year boredom with the gala decided to troll it.

And this was set up in episode 3 with her handing out the tickets. An epic Xanatos Gambit mixed with epic trolling. Trollestia in a nutshell to me.
McClaw 16th Mar 2012, 8:13 AM edit delete reply
I'll dispute the Gala tickets. While Celestia put Twilight's name on the list (to "liven things up"), more than likely the invitations were prepared by staff that went by rote. Celestia made the correction herself, with no hesitation.
Parchment Scroll 16th Mar 2012, 10:05 AM edit delete reply
Molestia was a R-34 joke on 4chan -- there was a bit of art that claimed that the villain of Episode 34 would be "Molestia". Full explanation can be found here: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/trollestia-molestia-tyrant-celestia
Steel 16th Mar 2012, 11:26 PM edit delete reply
Ok time for me to chuck something in.

Trollestia: This comes from a few sources as noted: The Gala, Philomeena, and the Tea thing. I think (in my head cannon) that Celly was trying to "soften the blow" as it were during these incidents. Ponies are scared of her (or more likly the terrible wraith of a living Goddess) The Cakes couldn't even let her finish her tea with out topping it off and if she told em to back off...well that might have gone badly, so a little joke to get the message across with out having them toss themselves out a window. Phoenix I write off as her thinking that it would be kinda evident that she had a exotic pet (one that had its own reset button is nice for an immortal) and she really didn't think Fluttershy would do something quite as ....rash as kidnapping the Royal Pet. It being a honest misunderstanding Celly lets it go with a explanation and no criminal charges.
The Gala: She was just being nice in the aftermath, they mane six were already feeling awful at ...well massive property damage and them going a little crazy and Celly being the nice gal she be tells em that Hey it was a dull party anyway, you guys livened it up a bit ..... just as planned? The girls feel better and salavage a bit of the night, Celly sends out fruit baskets to the other party goers and vows that next time she would put more planning into the Gala so new comers aren't let down so much. As for the tickets them selves Yeah someguy thought "Hey twilight saved the planet, some tickets might be nice." sent the letter and forgot the whole deal.

Tyrant Celly: Well this might come from the Luna to the Moon and Discord the lawn gnome. Honestly in both cases..... this was the best course of action. Nightmare Moon was going to kill off the planet with her endless night and Discord..... well death may have been nicer then living under his "rule" With Nightmare Celly also had the problem of it being her little sis which she really loved so that made things more complex.

As for the not telling Twilight about it, like the comic says "If I told you all about it then this wouldn't have worked and we would all die." Sucks but sometimes ya have to Batman Gambit

Molestia:....the internet is a sick sick place.
RealityCheck 21st Mar 2012, 12:10 AM edit delete reply
indeed. Molestia came from the same place as Lesbo Dash, Futashy, And Applecest....from the festering, diseased pits of the NeckBeards, who type all their fanfics one-handed and think "and then they @#$%ed" is a brilliant Shakespearean ending.
Dusky Flower 16th May 2013, 5:51 PM edit delete reply
Nothing wrong with Dash being a lesbian, you know. If she is, she's likely deeply closeted due to her tomboy attitude and rainbow motif, which is actually, in my opinion, a much more interesting subversion than non-lesbian Dash.
RRC 8th Mar 2014, 3:08 AM edit delete reply
Also nothing wrong with Fluttershy being trans and/or intersex. Just saying. Though I'm suspicious as to WHY is was created and has become memetic. Also, while I would love for Dash (actually, especially Dash) and any or all of the other ponies to be queer, I am frustrated with the whole "Dash reads as butch, so she must like girls" thing.

Luna's my favorite, so there's defiantly bias, but it's obvious that Celestia has the ability to be ruthless and authoritative, which are things that COULD lead to Tyrant Celly, and there's a lot of evidence to suggest that royalty ruled with a much firmer hoof than now. None of it is conclusive, however. I would suggest that Equestrian find a way to deal with some of their threats with a little more organization and diplomacy, though.

As a side note, let us also not forget that Luna is Celestia's sister, the secondary ruler of Equestria, and had a problem which, IMHO, could have definetly been solved with magic or reasoning, while none of the above applies to Discord.

As for Trollestia...honestly, either she is way out of touch with how her subjects think and feel (anyone who spent 5 minutes with Fluttershy would have realized how horrified she would have been to watch a treasured royal pet grow slowly weaker and sicker under her care, with nothing she could do about it. I mean, anyone would, but Fluttershy especially.), or she is a major troll.

(Again, this is waaaayyy late, but I felt I needed to say it.)


J-Kwez 8th Aug 2012, 8:51 PM edit delete reply
Princess Celestia (Su-lestia) because she raises the su-n,
Princess Molestia (Mo-lestia) because she raises the moon. Her spirit name is Luna, which she got from space camp. At least as far as Friendship is Witchcraft goes.
Andrew Foose 15th Mar 2012, 6:28 AM edit delete reply
Trollestia probably comes from either 1) The Ticket Master, where people assumes that Celestia knew all of Twilight's new friends were going to fight over the ticket, or 2) A Bird in the Hoof, where, when the Cakes are refilling her teacup after every sip, she pretends to drink from it, so that when they try to refill it it spills over.
Silverbolt 15th Mar 2012, 6:42 AM edit delete reply
Don't forget about the Gala. "This party has gotten so stuffy and boring over the last thousand years. I know! I'll invite Twilight and all her crazy friends to stir things up! This should be funny!"
Torg 15th Mar 2012, 8:34 AM edit delete reply
@Andrew: Trollestia was around well before A Bird In The Hoof. A lot of people saw that scene as confirmation of the fanon, but it didn't contribute to the fanon's creation.
Zeeth 15th Mar 2012, 9:14 AM edit delete reply
Well, it did get them to stop overfilling the darn thing, more effectively than her polite protestations.
Guest 15th Mar 2012, 8:02 AM edit delete reply
The argument for the ticket is probably based on how quickly it took her to respond. It only took two minutes to get the letter, read it, get four additional tickets to the biggest social event of the year, write a new letter, and send it, at least some of that had to be prepared for beforehoof.

Also notice despite being her most faithful student Twilight seems to always expect Celestia to react in a far more extreme way in both a Bird in the Hoof and later in Lesson Zero. Almost like she doesn't even know her.
Brony Is Magic 15th Mar 2012, 8:15 AM edit delete reply
Or sets herself up to an impossibly high standard.
MirrorImage 15th Mar 2012, 2:01 PM edit delete reply
@Guest: The new letter said merely "My faithful student, all you had to do was ask." Then consider the following - when you are the absolute head of something, you control EVERYTHING within it that you want to be in control of. In the case of the Gala, it's Celestia's "party," so she dictates the guest list. Who's to say she can't fit 5 more people in at her own whim?

As for the extremity of Celestia's reactions, consider that the only abnormal actions Twilight has done that she believes Celestia would judge her over are:

--Swarm of the Century (in which she apparently manages to avert Celestia from knowing about Ponyville's nigh-destruction;
--A Bird in the Hoof (concerned over whether Celestia approves in her choice of friends, which she does)
--Lesson Zero (in which she ACTUALLY receives the "wrath" of Celestia).

In that last case, having experienced the extent of Celestia's judgment, she no longer concerns herself over Celestia's reaction, knowing that they will be fair and, more often then not, favorable. Knowing that Celestia had absolute power and no idea how she would utilize it would rightly give one worry as to what the consequences would be.
Guest 21st Mar 2012, 12:10 AM edit delete reply
Magic, y'all. Ain't gotta explain nuthin'.
Veya 15th Mar 2012, 8:16 AM edit delete reply
I am pretty sure Tyrantlestia comes from the many imaginary spots Twi had in the past, where Celestia is shown severelly punishing ponies for petty reasons, but this is just because Twi is that paranoid, nothing really related to Celestia's real actions.
Guest 15th Mar 2012, 12:23 PM edit delete reply
As to Molestia, the earliest source *I'm* aware of for her is http://askmolestia.tumblr.com/, which dates back to... June 2011? I think Molestia was around before that, but that's the farthest back I could find a source. Know Your Meme dates it as far back as a post on /co/ in November 2010, though.
darkwulf23 15th Mar 2012, 4:20 PM edit delete reply
darkwulf23
Hell, Celestia been around for thousands of years, dealing with ponies that are always stepping on egg shells with her. Even twilight herself is trying to seek the approval of her mentor, even though everyone else knows that she has all ready got it. All those pranks she pull, its just her way of getting ponies to lighten up.
Guest 15th Mar 2012, 4:49 PM edit delete reply
There's no real reason for any of those other than internet finding it amusing.

Celestia is a tyrant because she's an authority figure and it's funny. Yes, it may be hard to believe so, but Tyrant Celesta used to be funny for a few weeks back in 2010. Molestia exists because internet likes porn. There's really nothing more to it.
darkwulf23 15th Mar 2012, 5:55 PM edit delete reply
darkwulf23
Yea, you would think that a wholesome children's show about a bunch of talking ponies would be spared rule 34, but nope.
Archaeopteryx 15th Mar 2012, 11:41 PM edit delete reply
NO EXCEPTIONS.
Brony Is Magic 16th Mar 2012, 6:56 AM edit delete reply
Actually, those clever ponies have adapted Rule 34 into Rule 34p= If it exists, there is pony of it.
Bronymous 16th Mar 2012, 9:04 AM edit delete reply
Bronymous
Doesn't that just make sense? The internet goes wonky for 1 day and I miss another fantastic conversation about one of my favorite subjects.
Kaleopolitus 16th Mar 2012, 9:10 AM edit delete reply
Kaleopolitus
*Sigh* It's true, I have seen pony versions of the most crazy things >>
Brony Is Magic 16th Mar 2012, 11:42 AM edit delete reply
I've seen various Star Wars ponies, a Xenomorph pony, a Predator pony, Gordon Freemane, and a whole bunch of others.
Brony Is Magic 16th Mar 2012, 12:01 PM edit delete reply
Kaleopolitus, do you like bananas?
Kaleopolitus 16th Mar 2012, 4:13 PM edit delete reply
Kaleopolitus
Please don't do that to me, BiM ;_;
Anvildude 17th Mar 2012, 8:07 PM edit delete reply
Sooo... You don't like Bananas?
P0n3Swag 16th Mar 2012, 3:09 PM edit delete reply
Molestia came from a certain face she made in one of the episodes (I cant remember which one) it evolved from there. Demonu hit the nail on the head with trollestia. Tyrant celestia comes from fannon reaction to luna's banishment and further substantiated buy twilights reactions whenever the princess is around/involved with something.
Toiski 16th Mar 2012, 4:18 PM edit delete reply
Regarding the Ticket Master episode: the first letter with only two tickets is a form letter. It doesn't star with "My dearest student", it starts with "Hear ye, hear ye". It's also not signed by Celestia, and speaks of her in the third person. The part where it says "Twilight Sparkle + 1 Guest" is probably filled in over "_______ + 1 Guest" by some bureaucrat. In conclusion, it was not written by Celestia at all!
kriss1989 15th Mar 2012, 6:44 AM edit delete reply
...you know, I think the legend even outright calls her Celestia's sister in the original., so there confusion makes even LESS sense then.
Saddlesoap Opera 15th Mar 2012, 7:27 AM edit delete reply
The legend just says that two sisters ruled. It only calls them "elder" and "younger"" - no names. This moment is when the gang realize just how old Celestia really is, and that IS that Alicorn, not a descendant.
Guest 21st Mar 2012, 12:13 AM edit delete reply
which is going to make a lot more sense after the season finale, when Princess Cadence, who is yet another alicorn, makes an appearance...
Chris 15th Mar 2012, 9:41 AM edit delete reply
You mean the players forgot part of the adventure background? Unprecedented!

Seriously though, I've had groups be four levels deep in a dungeon when they realize that no one remembers why they went down there in the first place. I think the PCs here can be forgiven for forgetting the whole "sister" bit, since from their standpoint it appeared to be tangential to the mission.
Derpmind 15th Mar 2012, 6:49 AM edit delete reply
Mixed messages or complex and hard to interpret? I've read many people say that in Lesson Zero, they think Celestia was about to turn Twilight into a statue or something else horrible. Here's a copy paste of my best lecture on the subject:

"Also, I really disagree with you on Lesson Zero. I think this is an easy misinterpretation that I've seem a few times. Twilight may have caused chaos, but it's on the same level as Spike destroying half the town: Bad thing to do, but not a, uh, very bad crime. (I don't know the correct terminology, sorry.) Those kinds of disasters (apparently) get fixed fairly quickly. Anyways, when Twilight is talking with Princess Celestia, even though Celestia is doing the whole parental talking to thingy, she still says that Twilight is a wonderful student. Then when the friends come in, INSTANT PRINCESS POKER FACE. She goes from Mentor to Princess instantly (like a boss.) If Twilight's friends hadn't intervened, then Twilight would have gotten a learn-not-to-do-this-again talk, and then punishment on the same level with whatever Spike probably got for his destructive (but mostly harmless) greed-ramapage. (Community service, anyone?)Twilight didn't permanently mess with anyone's mind, she just influenced ponies. Nopony is shown as being injured at all, and there's no property damage either. Just because Twilight can use very powerful mind-magic doesn't mean she should be punished for what she could have done. If a skilled martial artist accidentally injured someone, you wouldn't execute him because he did a small crime and therefore might kill people. Anyone is technically capable of doing horrible crimes whether they have weapons or not. Therefore I don't see almost any Celestia, fannon or not, turning Twilight to stone for her want-it need-it spell."
Derpmind 15th Mar 2012, 6:50 AM edit delete reply
That should be "hard to understand," not interpret. Sorry.
Demonu 15th Mar 2012, 7:08 AM edit delete reply
Demonu
That comparison doesn't fly. A skilled martial artist would have learned not to injure other people using his skills (accidently or not), unless pressured into doing so and even then he should try to minimize damage.

"Twilight didn't permanently mess with anyone's mind, she just influenced ponies."
Influenced? She took away other ponies free will and if she or the princess hadn't cast the counterspell, they would have stayed that way.

"Nopony is shown as being injured at all"
Well, Big Mac did punt all the other ponies over the horizon but injuries in MLP-FiM only seem relevant to comedy or plot convenience.

It's an old saying by this point but "With great powers comes great responsibility"
Twilight is the most powerful magic user in MLP-FiM after the princesses (perhaps on par with them with sufficient studies) and I believe Celestia was to lecture Twilight not because of what she had done but more because she was irresponsibly (ab)using her powers.
wite_c83 16th Mar 2012, 11:20 AM edit delete reply
Actually it's a pretty good comparison. When you're between beginner and master (where Twilight is right now) you have the skill but you don't yet have the experience with those skills to gauge exactly how much to use to get the results you want. It's the difference between an adept and a master. Time and practice are the only way to get experience. And the more you practice, the more likely mistakes become. But that's part of learning and why it's important to have a master with more experience to help catch mistakes before they get too out of hand. And sometimes clean up after the mistakes.
Classic Steve 15th Mar 2012, 8:41 AM edit delete reply
A good word for a very bad crime is "felony."
Brony Is Magic 15th Mar 2012, 9:24 AM edit delete reply
And a bad word for a very good... anti-crime... would be... um... goody-goody two-shoes?
kriss1989 15th Mar 2012, 8:02 PM edit delete reply
I think what you're looking for is that the damage was unintentional. Her spell spilled out of control; it wasn't malicious intent. Worth a lecture and some remedial work on spell safety, maybe restrict her access to high level spells for a while, do some community work, but yeah. This is the sort of thing you give a lengthy but not too severe punishment so that the lesson really sinks in.
Wonkadoo 15th Mar 2012, 10:04 PM edit delete reply
Twilight cast a *mind control* spell. She deserved to be punished for that alone. If it hadn't gone out of control it would have just meant she got away with it.

I would like to stress here that TS isn't some dumb kid playing with magic. She's supposed to *know better* than to do that stuff. Celestia really went very easy on her.
Panoptes 16th Mar 2012, 9:34 AM edit delete reply
Panoptes
Regarding "Lesson Zero," I think we also have to consider that Celestia knows Twilight fairly well at this point so she knows a) Twilight's obsessive diligence and neuroses about failure and b) that even though she used a mind-control spell Twilight meant no harm.

We also have to consider the "friendship moral" of the episode. The moral wasn't "tell your friends to stop obsessing over stupid things," it was "don't dismiss your friends' worries no matter how inconsequential they might seem." Sure, Twilight was worrying needlessly about something really silly, but the fact remains that she was in a very bad place mentally and emotionally. Celestia wouldn't be a very good mentor if she just said "Stop being so stupid, Twilight! Punishment!"

Yet more evidence that the sometimes shallow-seeming "morals" of the show often aren't: this one went very much into the idea of psychological reality--for Twilight, what everyone else saw as a silly little problem was a very real issue deserving of worry. It would have been very easy to have the moral just be "don't worry about stuff like that," but instead they made it much more complicated.

Final note: everything I said above aside, I think it would've been hilarious if even after the rest of the Mane 6's heartfelt pleading on Twilight's behalf Celestia just said "Nope! To the MOOOOOONAAAAHHH!"

Maybe a bit out of character, though.
Ranubis 15th Mar 2012, 6:57 AM edit delete reply
Ranubis
Nightmare: "And so my original host has fallen. No matter, I'll just bide my time by concealing myself with some other creature, until I can exact my revenge. Now, i'll need someone with ambition, someone with a sense of superiority, someone-"

TGAPT: "At last, the little town of Ponyville! Now Trixie shall grace this pathetic gathering of hovels with her skill and excellence!"

Nightmare: "Well, that'll do."
Brony Is Magic 15th Mar 2012, 7:32 AM edit delete reply
That's a good alt-script. Are you sure you're not Lyntermas?
Lyntermas 15th Mar 2012, 8:39 AM edit delete reply
Oh, you'll KNOW when I do my alt-scripts.

They tend to be a little longer.
Also, having NMM being a separate entity from Luna, while an interesting device, is not an idea I think I would use.
Brony Is Magic 15th Mar 2012, 8:43 AM edit delete reply
True, but I wanted to make doubly sure that you didn't have MPD. Now that both of you have confirmed it, I can be sure that it's all in your head.
Xort 15th Mar 2012, 8:54 AM edit delete reply
Nightmare Moon herself isn't a separate entity, but Faust has confirmed that she was influenced by some dark magical thingy or other, so it's not just an interesting device; it's Faustian fact.
Ranubis 15th Mar 2012, 9:22 AM edit delete reply
Ranubis
Please, as if I could measure up to what Lyntermas can write.

As for Nightmare itself, I've seen the idea of Luna being separate from some dark power, and the idea's shown up in a few works before, such as Through the Eyes. Personally, I keep it as my headcanon. Leaves the potential for a great Discord/Nightmare team up in the future.

All hail Dark Discord, the Ebon Dragon!
Kyman201 15th Mar 2012, 10:25 AM edit delete reply
Discord the Ebon Dragon? Unlikely. A bunch of Exalted/Pony fans chatted and came to the conclusion that Discord is in fact a Raksha Noble. Most likely social-specced out the Yin-Yang. (7 Manipulation at character creation, at least)
kriss1989 15th Mar 2012, 8:05 PM edit delete reply
As an Eberon fan, the term Raksha Noble is even scarier than that. We're talking demi-gods capable of leveling nations by themselves. And they have legions of followers and foot soldiers. And their foot soldiers are level 15. In a game with 20 levels.
Suburbanbanshee 16th Mar 2012, 10:26 PM edit delete reply
Discord is a ki-rin/chi-lin, drawn in one of the weirder Chinese variants. Antlers on head, dragon bits, horse bits, and all.
Guest 15th Mar 2012, 9:27 PM edit delete reply
Lauren Faust did say she was influenced by dark magic, but she also said that they never determined if that magic came from an outside source or from Luna herself.
Karilyn 15th Mar 2012, 12:05 PM edit delete reply
Naw, Rainbow Dash has way more ambition and self-imagined superiority than Trixie.

Rainbow Dash would be best Nightmare Moon host.
Malubatorius 15th Mar 2012, 1:54 PM edit delete reply
I thought the hole nightmare thing was that Luna wanted extra power so she could get recognition, so she summond up an eldritch monstrosity and traded her sanity for her power.
Bronymous 16th Mar 2012, 9:17 AM edit delete reply
Bronymous
Ok here's my take. The entity that possessed Luna is one of a race of Dream Demons (or Nightmares) that feed on the fear and terror produced by Ponies' bad dreams. when they get sufficiently fed off of one host (i.e. Luna's insecurities) they can become powerful enough to possess them, offering deals with the Devil, so to speak. They know what the hosts wants, needs, and most importantly, fears are, and offer their power accordingly. Thus, Luna was offered the power to be as strong and as revered and appreciated as her sister. The catch is that it made her into a monster, preaching eternal night, and producing more fear and terror for the Nightmares to feed on.
Aekiel 17th Mar 2012, 9:15 AM edit delete reply
I so want to read a Dresden Files/MLP crossover where the Nightmare is a Denarian now.
kriss1989 17th Mar 2012, 2:29 PM edit delete reply
My Little Denarians is pretty close, with the Nickleheads teaming up with Discord.

The Dresden Files: Strange Friends has Dresden teaming up with the mane six to defeat a returned Nightmare with a new host.

Starge Friends currently has a sequel in the works, Strange Masks.
Anvildude 17th Mar 2012, 8:13 PM edit delete reply
There's actually rather a lot of Dresden/Pony crossovers, aren't there?
Anon 15th Mar 2012, 7:33 AM edit delete reply
You know what? I feel SO SORRY for Celestia. She has never shown anything other than being very wise ruler who loves all of her subjects, yet everyone calls her a tyrant and a troll. Why? Because sometimes she too wants to have fun and because Fluttershy can't ask questions. If you take a look at this scene, Celestia never says anything mean or hurtful to Luna and Luna appologizes out of free will. Yet Luna is the one the fanbase loves and defends. Poor, poor Celestia. She is definitely the pony that needs to be hugged the most.
Demonu 15th Mar 2012, 7:44 AM edit delete reply
Demonu
Luna is the woobie.
Tormented and troubled little sister that got possessed by an evil entity that wrought havoc on the world against her will and then got banished a 1000 years for something that wasn't her fault, to be alone all that time and who had no friends before S02E04 Luna Eclipsed
VS
Mighty elder sister who was living like royalty for a 1000 years and is universally loved by all.

Yeah... Luna's woobieness far exceeds anypony else's on the show.
Brony Is Magic 15th Mar 2012, 7:49 AM edit delete reply
She wasn't really possessed, it was more like a thousand-year PMS. But personally, I don't care for politics. I side with Pinkie.

Chaotic Neutral: Because some people find sanity a little confining.
Kaleopolitus 15th Mar 2012, 8:07 AM edit delete reply
Kaleopolitus
And that's why we love you, BiM.
Raxon 16th Jun 2012, 10:48 AM edit delete reply
Vote Pinkie Pie! She has the right party for you!
Anon 15th Mar 2012, 8:33 AM edit delete reply
I also love how everyone asumes Celestia was HAPPY for those 1000 years. Was I the only one who noticed both of the sister cried at the reunion? The only time we've seen Celestia before Luna was restored was when she met Twilight, that's about 990 years after the banishment or so? Who says Celestia wasn't driven into deep depression by the guilt and shame for a very long time after defeating Nightmare Moon?
kriss1989 15th Mar 2012, 8:08 PM edit delete reply
In one fanfiction I loved, she was so upset by it that she drowned her sorrows for a century with comfort food. "They had to cart her to her throne in a wheelbarrow."
darkwulf23 15th Mar 2012, 4:28 PM edit delete reply
darkwulf23
In Celestia's defense, Luna may not be in control of her actions, but she is still a fricken goddess that has no self control. She needed to think about the well being of her subjects. Yea, and I know I'm the one who started that Lunar Republic thing a few pages back but what of it?
Veya 15th Mar 2012, 8:14 AM edit delete reply
Okay, what I personally think?

Celestia is the powerful and strong sister, ruller of the whole country with subjects who will do whatever she asks for at any given moment not because they fear her, but because they respect her that much... and absolutelly hates her job, it leaves her with little to no time to simply enjoy an afternoon with her student and subjects, always too busy to expend more that 10 minutes around, and this have been going on for over 1000 years now, only very recently she got her sister back to her side, just how very much feed up you would be by now? she isn't a woobie for sure, but she isn't 100% happy either, characterizations like Molestia and Evil Overlordess Celestia are what I hate the most.

Luna was possessed by evil magic, yes, but I am pretty sure it was confirmed by Word of God that she somewhat allowed herself to be possessed(and I am actually writting a fanfic around this idea happening again, not to Luna, of course), as she was feeling resentful at the time, she did a lot wrong, and without the sun like NM was planning, every single lifeform in Equestria exept maybe dragons(as Spike constantly show, they can eat ANYTHING) would slowly die, she is a woobie, for sure, but not a completelly innocent woobie, I personally think Celestia was too forgiving on that part, but then again, she might have been so happy her sister was back she didn't even think about this.

TL;DR: Celestia takes too much on her back for nothing, while Luna is way too loved for everything she did in the past, she sure suffered enough to pay for her crimes, but it doesn't mean there aren't any crimes.
Brony Is Magic 15th Mar 2012, 8:21 AM edit delete reply
LUNA WASN'T POSSESSED! She just got mad because she thought all the ponies feared her because they don't like her night and don't want to be HER FRIENDS ANYMORE!!!

Pinkie Pie reference FTW! Yeah, brohoof! /)
Brainstorm 15th Mar 2012, 8:49 AM edit delete reply
Um, BiM, I'm fairly certain that Word of God said that The Nightmare had influenced and shaped Luna to do the things she did. Sounds like a possession to me, brony.
Xort 15th Mar 2012, 8:56 AM edit delete reply
Yeah, Brainstorm is right. Word of Faust confirmed it. I'm too lazy to find her DA post, but it's there somewhere if you still don't believe Luna was essentially possessed.
Demonu 15th Mar 2012, 8:51 AM edit delete reply
Demonu
http://mlp.wikia.com/wiki/File:Lauren_Faust_discussing_age_of_Princess_Luna.png

--> some kind of evil magic turned her into NNM
What's not to say it couldn't have happened to Celestia, given other circumstances. I refuse to believe Luna threw a hissyfit because ponies sleep during the night (something that is, you know, natural to do) and then decided to best course of action would be to destroy the world.

@ Anon:
Yeah, Celestia was sad to seal Luna/NNM away. Yes, she had to carry a heavy burden. No, she didn't slink into a depression for a 1000 years (give or take a few) She still was in charge of Equestria and she doesn't seem the type to forsake responsibility just because of personal problems.
Guest 15th Mar 2012, 9:48 PM edit delete reply
It seems like most people who use that quote don't realize that Lauren Faust later expanded on what she meant...

http://ponibooru.413chan.net/post/view/85838

http://ponibooru.413chan.net/post/view/86137

She says they never determined whether the "evil magic" that turned Luna into Nightmare Moon came from an outside force or was really her own magic corrupted by negative emotions, and even mentions that she prefers the later option.
Veya 16th Mar 2012, 8:17 AM edit delete reply
Veya
I personally take the "external entity corrupted Luna" as my head-canon, it just makes sense in my eyes, and it gives the Mane Six a villain worse that Discord to deal with in the future.
nekollx 16th Mar 2012, 11:24 AM edit delete reply
nekollx
well for my MLP rpg script this is how od did the into for the Celestia/luna party.

Once the party reach Bucktown we cut to Canterlot's Throne room, where Princess Luna watches the balcony where Celestia uses her power to set the sun and raise the moon.

'She has taken everything from me,' Luna mused sourly, 'Even the moon and stars, my domain fall to her beck as call!' She could feel the bitterness, the darkness rising again, whispering in her ear. 'It is worse then before...At least back in the old days my little ponies knew my name, now it's as if I never existed except as a pony-tale to scare young fillies.'

Luna closed her eyes taking a silent breath, 'NO!' her mental voice defiant, 'I will not go down this road again.' She tilted her head, looking to Celestia as she came down from the dias, a pair of unicorn guards flanking her as she moved to the throne room, levitating a bag of letters and petitions from a near table and taking a seat by her sister. She opened the first one at the top of the stack and they read it silently together.

“Luna,” Celestia asked aloud, “Tell me your thoughts?”

'Had her sister picked up on her dark emotions? But she hid them so well, never even showing a moment weakness on her face...truly she had grown much more powerful since her imprisonment...but that was to be expected, Celestia had been active raising both sun and moon and looking over the royal duties of the entire kingdom by herself.'

“On the one hoof para-sprites devouring your entire crop harvest is devastating and should be helped I can't help but wonder if we have been too lenient on Equestria.”

'We, Celestia always used that in her presence, as if she had any importance in a thousand years of equestrian rule, as if she, the black sheep Luna, was always part of the royal system...instead of just Celestia's shadow. Luna didn't even have the power to raise the moon herself anymore.' More bitterness crept into her thoughts, 'The Elements of Harmony had seen to that when they stripped her of Nightmare Moon over 2 years ago.'

Celestia picked up her thought taking her sister silence as contemplation, “Take Everfree for example, left to grow on it's own with nopony's intervention it has become a place of fear. It is a place of nature but is seen as some haunted grounds, some terrible place soaked in evil.”

Luna didn't have the heart to tell her sister the truth about Everfree, there there was indeed evil seeped into the land...Nightmare Moon had seen to that.

“Maybe we should just let them recover on their own, it would be a good lesson.”

“That may be to harsh for a first lesson,” Luna found her voice but it was softer, low, much like Fluttershy, soft spoken, but unlike Fluttershy it was not timid, there was confidence in Luna's voice, as befit a Princess.

Celestia nodded, “You are right, To just turn my flank on one's asking for help would be a stark shift from established procedures. What would you suggest?”

Luna knew her sister was humoring her, she had made decisions like this for a thousand years, she didn't need a filly set in the old ways, a filly a millennium out of date with the world and politics, still a small half smile formed on her lips, she had to admit she liked the thought behind it, “We are quite busy preparing to meet with the Eleme...” the paused catching herself. It was hard to erase the image of Twilight Sparkle and her friends domination of Nightmare Moon from her mind, to her they were not ponies but a weapon, one she had felt the brunt of twice now. “Of Twilight Sparkle and her...friends. Send a care package of supplies from Ponyville to help them get back on their feet and regretfully inform them of our inability to do more.”

As Luna looked over to her sister she surprised a smile to see Celestia was already transcribing her thoughts into a letter. Of course that was to be expected, the night was young and there was still much to do, and many petitions to answer. Pausing a moment she tilted her head, the light from her moon, and her prison back lighting Celestia in a soft halo, and suddenly she saw her in a different light, both figuratively and literally. And that night a thousand years ago came back like a fresh wound.

“If no pony will look to me, praise me, love me, as they love you, then they can live in eternal night. Maybe then my little ponies will respect me!” Nightmare Moon stood proud and defiant, her sister was but a child, her mane pink as the summer cherry blossoms, A filly standing, pleading before a great and powerful mare.

“Sister please,” Celstia pleaded, “They do respect you, they do love you, you bring the cool night air to comfort and protect their sleep while they toil away under my burning sun.”

“All the more reason to give them eternal night,” Nightmare Moon laughed, “Now they will no longer have fear your burning sun and only have my cool nights at their backs!”

And with that she used a telekinetic shadow bolt to blast her sister over the banister, she knew it would not kill her, Celestia had wings after all, but the conversation was over. She had a kingdom to rule.

Time jumped forward, and now Nightmare Moon relived the moment of her imprisonment.

Celestia once more entered her chambers, she had grown older, her mane now a flowing rainbow, while around her neck she wore.

“The Elements of Harmony!” Nightmare Moon's eyes contracted into slits, “You wouldn't dare defile that sacred place.”

“It is you who had defiled the world,” Celestia said defiantly, standing tall and strong, visible tears running from her eyes as her horn and the necklace glowed together, “I am sorry...sister...I am sorry...Luna.”

Before being banished to the moon, something Luna to this day wasn't sure because her sister was holding back, she only had 5 of the 6 elements, or she simply lacked the power to out right kill her, Celestia's last words, the very last thing she would hear for a thousands years, the one voice that would twist and make the bitterness grow even strong in her lunar prison stuck in her mind like a rusted hook,

“Luna...I am sorry.”

Back to the present, Luna now looked at her sister and saw past her calm demeanor, she saw a pony who suddenly inherited the world. A pony who for a thousand years, had to live with the fact she was the one to banish her own flesh and blood to the moon. A pony who had to for a thousand years take up the mantle of the moon, to insure every pony in Equestria was grated both day and night. A Pony who every time she rose the moon saw her sister's face burned into it, and knew one day her sister, still corrupted by Nightmare Moon, would return to enact her vengeance. Celestia didn't show it but she was tired, wary, and repentant. She became especially apparent when she thought back to the Elements, of Twilight and her friends. It was so clear now, while she balled and begged for her sister's forgiveness in the wake of her purification she remembered something else, buried beneath Celestia's calm demeanor.

Regret.

Six little ponies had done what she had not, Celestia had all but given up the fact of seeing her sister again, expecting The Elements of Harmony to banish her to the moon for another thousand years. And then the impossible happened, Nightmare Moon was destroyed, reforged, and remade, Luna was reborn. A thousand years of bitterness had been washed away, replaced only by sadness for what she had done. But it didn't last, the bitterness grew with each night she saw her sister continue her duties. Nightmare Moon would return, it was inevitable. And then Luna finally understood the truth.

“Celestia I'm sorry!” Luna buried her face into Celestia's side, “I have been such a foal.”

Eyes watering Celestia wrapped her soft wing around her sister, nuzzling her own head around the Lunar Princess neck, her own tears flowing, “N-No Luna,” Celestia's perfect facade cracking ever so minutely, “I'm sorry...sorry I had to banish you to the moon. Sorry I was not...Strong enough to save you. Sorry that I was ready to once more see you banished to the moon. Sorry that I was too weak to do it myself, that strangers would banish you away before we could ever talk. I am sorry for everything I have done to you.”

Luna regained her composure giving a steel look up to her sister, “You did nothing wrong Celestia.” She looked away a moment, unable to bear the lost look on her sister face, “I was too consumed with bitterness to see the big picture, so see how I was killing Equestria for my own vanity. You did what had to be done, and it is thanks to The Elem...Twilight Sparkle and her friends I was given a second chance to atone.”

A long pause followed as both sisters regained their composure, levitating tissues to their sides to wipe away the tears. When Luna looked back Celeatia's golden necklace of the 5 elements was lowering around her neck.

“Celestia?” Luna looked confused, as she felt their power seep into every fiber of her being, felt her body grow larger, more mature, as her mane became a sheet of stars, a more pure version of Nightmare Moon. “What is the meaning of this.”

“While I am gone,” She said softly, “Someone must remain here, in Canterlot, at the apex of the world, to raise sun and moon.”

“But I can not even raise the moon under my own power.” Luna protested.

“The Elements of Harmony will help you with that.” a calculated smile forming on her lips, “And Equestria will see my sister Luna in all her glory as she raises both sun and moon for 40 days and 40 nights. You will get the recognition you so deserve.”

Tears formed in Luna's eyes, this was more then she could ever hope for, the power, the responsibility, the power, with the Elements at her command she could stretch those 40 days to infinity. Dethrone her sister and take her place as the pony all others looked up to, and feared.”

A shiver ran up Luna's spine as she hesitantly reseated the Elements onto her sisters neck, and felt the power leave her.

“I am not ready yet,” Luna said mournfully.

Celestia paused in thought, she was not expecting this, a dark smile crept onto Luna's lips, it was not often she confounded this pony.

“Then you will go in my stead,” Celestia mused.

Luna once more shook her head, “You have a better understanding of the scope of the issue, it is best we both go.”

Once more Celestia was confounded, Luna mentally celebrated the victory.

“Somepony must remain here to raise sun and moon,” Celestia argued.

“While away from Canterlot, or my old castle in Everfree we may not be close enough to the heavens to reach moon and sun with out own powers, together, with our powers combined on the task distance is no object.”

Celestia smiled, “We will make hoof at once then, together.”

Luna smiled.

Celestia pushed Luna to her feet, ushering her to the balcony, “I will prepare for the journey, and finish with the petitions, you should get some practice in, I left a few stars asleep, you will wake them to practice your power, since the night sky is already seeded in my power this will be good practice for you in sharing that power between 2 ponies.”

Luna nodded moving to the balcony.

Minigame:
Follow the prompts on the screen (like a dancing game or the Blitzball memory game in FFX-2) to awaken the stars.

[[There are 20 stars to awaken, for each one the player successfully awakens Luna's permanent MP is raised by 10 points, get 5 she gets a additional 200 HP, 10 = 20 more spirit, 15 = 20 more res, all 20 = 20 more Def, attack, and Agility]]

As the last star wakes Celestia walks over, 4 Pegasi guardponies beside her, “We will travel by air, to expediate the trip. I have taken the liberty to get 2 guardponies ready for each of us, should we encounter any trouble. We can't b careless with our magic now can we?”

Luna nodded, Looking the guardponies over, “They look strong enough, but without unicorn guards we won't have strong magical protection.”

Celestia nodded, “But then we would have to travel by hoof and cartridge. This issue with the World's End requires expediency. And Bucktown may be 6 weeks from Trotingham but is much further from Ponyville by hoof.”

Luna nodded, “What of the citizen, we should inform them of our extended leave.”

Celestia nodded, “I have already sent out the messengers, alerting the people to a royal announcement after the sun raising, to be given by Princess Luna.”

Confound that Alicorn, Celestia was going to make her make a speech at dawn! She was not ready for this!

As if sensing her sisters hesitation Celestia wrapped one wing around her, “With her sister at her side of course.”

Luna smiled, “Of course.”
Kaleopolitus 16th Mar 2012, 11:46 AM edit delete reply
Kaleopolitus
That is VERY long and about a quarter way in I just gave up to look at pictures of cats.
PhantomFox 15th Mar 2012, 9:29 AM edit delete reply
Celestia is awesome, yes. The Bird In The Hoof episode is what inspired Sunny Skies All Day Long. You can just see her thinking "Please, stop being so formal. I just want to hang out with everypony"
Brony Is Magic 15th Mar 2012, 8:39 AM edit delete reply
OMGWTFFUSRODAH! Twilight has a Creeper face in the last panel! Everypony hide your diamonds!
Kaleopolitus 15th Mar 2012, 8:54 AM edit delete reply
Kaleopolitus
HOW DID I NOT NOTICE THAT. HOW?!?!?!
Bronymous 16th Mar 2012, 9:20 AM edit delete reply
Bronymous
You call that a creeper face? If she was grinning maybe.
Brony Is Magic 16th Mar 2012, 11:29 AM edit delete reply
http://www.redbubble.com/explore/machinima+creeper+face+minecraft+painting

Creepers don't grin. They frown. Look at her mouth, then at the creeper. She's going to blow you up and steal ALL your things.
Bronymous 16th Mar 2012, 1:47 PM edit delete reply
Bronymous
Oh that kind of creeper.

I don't play minecraft.

sssssssssssSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Matticus 15th Mar 2012, 8:43 AM edit delete reply
I think that shot of Celestia being imposing and Luna being frightened did exactly what it needed to do. The audience is SUPPOSED to have a moment where we aren't sure what Celestia is going to do. The shot underscores the fact that Celestia is the most powerful being in the room, and that she can and has dealt with threats harshly. Luna knows what she's done, and she knows that she's completely at her sister's mercy.

And then she receives that mercy. Celestia not only doesn't banish or kill Luna, she welcomes her back with open hooves. Because whatever Luna had done (of her own will, or possessed or a mixture of both), Luna was her sister and she loved her.

That's some positively divine love, mercy and forgiveness right there.
Brony Is Magic 15th Mar 2012, 8:45 AM edit delete reply
Aw man, now you've made me go and D'aw...
Kaleopolitus 15th Mar 2012, 8:55 AM edit delete reply
Kaleopolitus
Me too~...

That's one hell of a good way to put it.
Ransom 15th Mar 2012, 8:55 AM edit delete reply
Yes! Exactly!

I'll admit I'm a big Celestia fan. But I feel a lot of fans have trained themselves to hate any seemingly noble authority figure.
Guest 15th Mar 2012, 10:05 AM edit delete reply
The irony is that the producers made her a princess to avoid the "Evil Queen" trope, and yet...
Bronymous 16th Mar 2012, 9:22 AM edit delete reply
Bronymous
It the risk of continuing the Trollestia/Tyrantlestia kick this page seems to be on, I feel like the only reason Celestia didn't banish her or anything is because she no longer controlled the EoH, and wasn't fully capable of doing so.
Masterofgames 15th Mar 2012, 9:11 AM edit delete reply
Well, now that the intro is pretty much over, I'm starting to wonder about future episodes. Will the background ponies be players in another group the DM runs, and their camios are really just their players walking by the table and saying hi before leaving again?

Derpy: The player always in a hurry who tends to bump into things. Thus, her camios are very short, and Derpy's personality is an inside joke.

Dr. Whooves: The sci-fi fan, sticking it to the system by refusing to use magic, only tech.

Lyra: The player who JUST DOESN'T GET that her character is a PONY!

Octavia and Vynil: Two music students at the local college, who both greatly disagree on the proper way to play a bard.

Big Mac: Fairly shy math nerd, who put all his character's points in int, so he can use his own knowledge, and str, to be the big guy for a change.

The crusaders: Younger siblings of two of the players, and their friend, who forgot to give their characters a cutie mark at creation, and now must fix it in game.

Trixie: Min-maxing power gaming munchkin, who has to be the center of attention at all times.

Any other ideas, or alternate predictions for ponies I've already listed?
sjosten 15th Mar 2012, 3:20 PM edit delete reply
Gilda: Dash's old DM who tries to derail the group so RD will quit and adventure with her again.

Mayor Mare: DM's older sister who wants to try out stuff she learned in Political Science on a bunch of normal people by taking a political role.

Flim + Flam: AJ's brothers who want to mess with their sister. However, they lose intentionally because they have to go back to college soon and didn't want to be permanent characters.

Pip: Twi asked the DM to make a character to represent her new baby brother.

The Wonderbolts: Dash's friend who role-played with the DM (and Gilda if you accept my previous summary) before so she's willing to help out every now and then.

Zecora: DM's girlfriend who happens to be over every once in a while. She thinks AJ's sister is cute.

How do you like those?
Masterofgames 15th Mar 2012, 10:01 PM edit delete reply
Gummy: Pinkie Pie's player's actual pet newt.

"Check it out guys! I learned Summon Animal II!" (Plops Gummy down on the game mat.) "He can even be his own mini!"
reynard61 16th Mar 2012, 1:51 AM edit delete reply
Bon-Bon: Her sometimes indulgent, sometimes sarcastic friend who subtly *tries* to make her friend understand that she's playing a Pony; but somehow just can't quite get up the gumption to blurt that fact out to her.
Panoptes 16th Mar 2012, 9:56 AM edit delete reply
Panoptes
The Flower Ponies: a trio of players who always treat every situation like the end of the world.
Masterofgames 16th Mar 2012, 10:14 AM edit delete reply
For the flower ponies, I'm guessing that's because that all play Paranoia, and are not aware that not all RPGs are like it?
Masterofgames 16th Mar 2012, 10:17 AM edit delete reply
*THEY all
Lyntermas 15th Mar 2012, 9:12 AM edit delete reply
Why doesn't anybody listen to the campaign intro? It always contains at least one or two plot points that will be used in the campaign! Always!

Here's an alt-script that uses the Cutie Mark Critical Failure concept I mentioned a while back.

DM: Alright, Pinkie, due to your...realization about your friends, you suffer the "Private Party" condition. You must maintain a party with 4 or more guests. You may subtly suggest that your old friends aren't in the "in-crowd" anymore, and get angry at anypony who suggests otherwise. Any guest who leaves the party will cause a 6 hit point loss from abandonment issues.
TS: What!?! But with her social skills penalized, she's as likely to drive them away as anything else. If 4 guests leave, she'll be at negative hit points.
Rarity: Not to mention any ponies who stay will might believe her slander and ruin our carefully honed reputation!
PP:...How can I tell if a pony is a guest or not? If a mailmare comes and leaves, does that count as a loss?
DM:...Only if YOU considered them a guest. And if there are less than four guests at that time, you WILL consider them a guest and do anything to detain them.
PP: Can entities other than ponies work? If one of Fluttershy's bunnies hopped in, could I declare them a guest?
DM:..Yyyyyes, but it's not likely that...
PP: What do I see in the room I'm in?
DM: What? Uh, Gummy is on a stool. There's a sack of flour and a bucket of turnips on a shelf. The place has been hastily sweeped, leaving a small pile of lint in the corner. Looking outside, you see the central courtyard, with some rocks here and there.
PP:...I have an idea.

Continued next post.
Brony Is Magic 15th Mar 2012, 9:22 AM edit delete reply
I like where this is going. Continue, my good man.
Kaleopolitus 15th Mar 2012, 9:28 AM edit delete reply
Kaleopolitus
Here it comes!

You know, Lynt. I'd actually like to ask you to do this for everyone of the mane 6 now :D You did it for Twilight, Applejack and Pinkie now as far as I recall.

Finish this one and just 3 to go :P
Lyntermas 15th Mar 2012, 9:32 AM edit delete reply
PP: You see girls? Deep down I do have your best interests at heart, regardless of all your note-passing and lies. I now have four guests that won't leave and won't say a bad word about you.
AJ: I'm really surprised the DM's letting you get away with this.
DM: It's a creative viable solution, and it follows the rules I set. But Pinkie, remember, you're in an emotionally vulnerable state. Some other ponies might help you get a grip on yourself. Are you sure you want to do this?
PP: Yep, I can weather out this one on my own, girls.
AJ:...I think I've heard that line before.
DM: Pinkie, you place the guests on stools and supply them with party hats. Would you provide the conversation?
PP: Happy to. Hello everyone, thanks for coming to Gummy's party.
PP (Turnip): Can I have some more punch?
PP: Of course, Mr. Turnip. I pour out a cup and set it in front of him.
DM: Roll a Will Save.
PP:...Uh, okay. *roll* 17.
DM:...Continue.
PP (Rocky):This is one great party! You really outdone yourself!
PP: Why, thank you, Rocky.
RD: Uh, this is worse than when the DM has two NPC's talking.
PP (Lint): I’m having a delightful time as well.
PP: I’m so glad Sir Lintsalot.
DM: Roll another will save.
PP: *roll* 14. Why am I...
DM: Continue.
PP (Flour):Might I tro’ble you for another slice of cake?
PP: Anything for you, Madame LeFlour
PP (Rocky): I’m just glad none of them ponies showed up.
PP: Oh, they’re not so bad.
DM: Roll a Will Save.
PP: Alright, but I don't see why. *roll* 6.
DM (Rocky):Not so bad? Please! They’re a buncha losers!
PP:...R...Rocky?
AJ: Pinkie Pie, I think you just failed a Sanity Roll.
PhantomFox 15th Mar 2012, 9:37 AM edit delete reply
Okay, that's it. You two have to get together to co-write the remainder of the series. I hereby declare it. :)
Brony Is Magic 15th Mar 2012, 9:38 AM edit delete reply
NO! NOT SAN! NOT THE CALL OF C'THULHU FLASHBACKS! *curls up into ball and whimpers pathetically* No Mr. Nyarlhotep, I don't want to do the Macarena...
Ranubis 15th Mar 2012, 10:00 AM edit delete reply
Ranubis
Oh dear. DM taking over a player... Minion, I guess?

Excellent script, nothing like SAN rolls to keep your player's worried.
Lyntermas 15th Mar 2012, 10:29 AM edit delete reply
For this scene, I envision Pinkie's face on the "R...Rocky?" line to be 0:50 of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHy3ZhY9VKs&feature=related

Kaleopolitus: I think I might do one per new comic, assuming something else doesn't pop into my head that relates to that day's comic. For Fluttershy, would you like "Best Night Ever" or "Putting Your Hoof Down"?

Phantom Fox: I have the privilege of jumping around the continuity as I please, while Newbiespud probably has a continuous epic planned out already. However, if he wants to use some of my ideas, he's welcome to them.

Brony Is Magic: Awww, poor thing. Thought a high Intelligence was a good thing, didn't you? "Oh, let's read the Necronomicon, it'll be fun." But look on the bright side, you have all sorts of new friends now. Oh, you may be holed up in Arkham now, but they'll find you. They'll always find you again. ALWAYS.
Kaleopolitus 15th Mar 2012, 10:35 AM edit delete reply
Kaleopolitus
To be fair I know which moment you're refering to with Best Night Ever, but I'm not sure about the second one. Mind, that I haven't watched any episodes beyond 2.12 yet. So please don't spoiler if that is the case :D

That said, I, for my own sake, prefer the first one. Otherwise you might spoiler me by accident. It's selfish, but to be expected.

P.s. Please don't torture BiM. *slowly morphs into Cthulhu* I do prefer my victims sane when I receive them >:D
Brony Is Magic 15th Mar 2012, 10:40 AM edit delete reply
But... I don't want to usher in the apocalypse by using a ritual that requires me to drink and bathe in the blood of stillborn children! Ms. Shub-Niggurath, please make Mr. C'thulhu stop! He's telling me all sorts of things and sending fish people to talk to me, and it's scaring me!

I agree with Kaleopolitus. Best Night Ever seems more like a CMCF, while

(!SPOILER ALERT SPOILER ALERT SPOILER ALERT SPOILER ALERT SPOILER ALERT!)

Putting Your Hoof Down seems more like a suggestion spell.
Kaleopolitus 15th Mar 2012, 11:58 AM edit delete reply
Kaleopolitus
Thanks BiM, I managed, albeit barely, to not read the text.

I do advice you to use multiple lines with Spoiler alert though as that has a stronger impact :D
Brony Is Magic 15th Mar 2012, 12:04 PM edit delete reply
Sorry about that. I tried.

Can you hear the voices? I can hear them. Calling all the time. They never stop. They tell me to prepare for the Coming. Do you know about it? Mr. C'thulhu scared me at first, but I came to see he was a good person. He taught me how to make the best sushi. *Head tilts 90 degrees to the left, creepy grin* Would you like to try some? It's delicious. Once you have some, you'll never be able to stop at just one.
Masterofgames 15th Mar 2012, 1:36 PM edit delete reply
C'thulhu has a bad rap, he's really not so bad. He can even be likened to more mainstream gods in his intentions if you look at it the right way.

Remember, C'thulhu SAVES! ... *cough*someforlater*cough*
Malubatorius 15th Mar 2012, 2:03 PM edit delete reply
dident cthulu save the world once?
Quietkal 15th Mar 2012, 3:33 PM edit delete reply
Read the necronomicon, they said! It will be fun, they said!

On a different note, I like the idea of CMCF. Works for all the episodes where they go crazy, and could work for explaining how Discord makes them (not Twilight) act all reverse.
Brony Is Magic 15th Mar 2012, 3:40 PM edit delete reply
And it was fun! Oh, it's scary at first, but once you get used to the idea of non-Euclidean geometry, human sacrifice, and fish people, it really is a fun read! Just remember, it's Klaatu Verataa Niktu! Not necktie, or nickle, Niktu!
Oblivion 16th Mar 2012, 9:10 AM edit delete reply
Yep! And made friends with a sea-priestess, a talking sword, an alien cat, and some other folks.
Brony Is Magic 15th Mar 2012, 10:50 AM edit delete reply
Now there's a Swanlestia? ARGH! Too many Celestias to keep up with! Make it sto-o-op!
Veya 15th Mar 2012, 10:59 AM edit delete reply
Veya
Celestia, a princess of many names...
Qin the Kirin 15th Mar 2012, 12:31 PM edit delete reply
I personally think that the Princess Celestia is a misunderstood, she is a chess master, think what she does is similar to what Paladine of dragonlance do. maybe his actions are not clear perhaps with the intention that her friends Twiligth and develop in their own end.

sorry if the messege is messy, English is not my native language, and have to help me whit a translator.
Qin the 15th Mar 2012, 1:08 PM edit delete reply
ups!, i forget to say, i love this comic. in my allmost 20 years playing R.P.G. i see many thinks. and many of the jokes on this comic, have bring back deared memorys of my games.
darkwulf23 15th Mar 2012, 4:12 PM edit delete reply
darkwulf23
So, Princess Celestia offered our princess a chance to co-rule with her. Months of planning, waiting for a chance to put the true ruler of Equestria on her throne and Celestia gives up half of the throne anyway. The Lunar Republic didn't exactly win, but we didn't loose either. My people are stunned by this turn of events.

Ah well,it's probably for the best. This will prevent unnecessary blood shed. Besides, with the elements of harmony and the armies of Canterlot backing us up, the Lunar Republic can focus on the true enemies of pony kind. We will unite under one banner against the true threat of Equestria.

http://stupidyou3.deviantart.com/#/d4rkabi

(and this is why I shouldn't have so much access to the internet)
Digo 15th Mar 2012, 5:30 PM edit delete reply
Related to your link:
http://digoraccoon.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d4ag86k
darkwulf23 15th Mar 2012, 5:52 PM edit delete reply
darkwulf23
Princess Celestia vs. Funshine Bear? Pass the popcorn
Digo 15th Mar 2012, 5:27 PM edit delete reply
See, I like the idea that Celestia stages some of these things like a chessmaster because sometimes it seems she just wants to have a little fun. Having lived for well over a 1000 years she must be bored by every Netflix DVD by now. ;)
And honestly, it's a refreshing change from the stereotypical always-serious kind of princess. I'd love to see an episode where Celestia decides to take a vacation and disguise herself as a mundane Earth pony and mingle just to try something new. Maybe shake the nest a bit, you know? :D


Speaking of mixed messages, As a DM I've always been complimented on my villains because I intentionally design them not to be obviously evil. I love putting villains in that "gray" area of evil where their actions are almost justified or haven't truely broken the law (merely found the loopholes).
Ink Swirle 16th Mar 2012, 11:15 AM edit delete reply
>I'd love to see an episode where Celestia decides to take a vacation and disguise herself as a mundane Earth pony and mingle just to try something new.

http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/04/story-sunny-skies-all-day-long.html

That's a fic, but still.
Digo 16th Mar 2012, 6:12 PM edit delete reply
That's still pretty close to what I was thinking. Thanks!
Limey Lassen 15th Mar 2012, 8:27 PM edit delete reply
Limey Lassen
Oh my god. Only in a D&D campaign intro could such blatantly obvious plot twist actually surprise anyone. Presumably cuz they were too busy writing down their powers.
Masterofgames 15th Mar 2012, 10:29 PM edit delete reply
I don't know why, but I just thought of something that made me laugh.

It must be all but impossable for Pinkie to hide from people.

My logic is as follows:

Applejack: Well, I've looked everywhere, Pinkie is nowhere to be found. We're gonna need ta' find what she's hidin' without questioning her.

Rarity: Perhaps not darling, I have an idea. Twilight?

Twilight: Yes Rarity?

Rarity: What was the last Pinkie Promise you made?

Twilight: Huh? Well... I guess it was promising not to tell you that Spike-

Pinkie Pie: For-EVERRRRRRR!

Rarity: GRAB HER!
Kaleopolitus 16th Mar 2012, 12:26 AM edit delete reply
Kaleopolitus
You. *points*

You are now collaborating with Lyntermas; GO.
Brony Is Magic 16th Mar 2012, 7:08 AM edit delete reply
I have one fatal flaw. That was only an illusion of Pinkie set to go off when a character tries to reveal secret information. And besides, even if it was her, once she got back into the container she would use her Pinkie Powers to teleport away.
Lyntermas 16th Mar 2012, 9:40 AM edit delete reply
The real question is: how does anybody hide from Pinkie? Take "Griffon the Brush Off".

Note: This explanation only covers a specific instance of Pinkie's powers, and is inadequate to explain all her cartoon physics.

RD: Ha, left Pinkie behind in the dust. I wonder how long it will take her to reach Sweet Apple Acres.
PP: Hi there.
RD: Wha..What!?! How did you get here so fast?
PP: It's a new ability I got when I leveled up, "Friend Finder". It's a combination of scrying and teleportation. I just find a pony once, choose them as my target, and no matter where they go, I can teleport to them in an instant.
RD:Neat trick. So I guess I got no choice but to hang out with DASH OFF TO TWILIGHT'S HOUSE.
PP: I hop after her.
DM: In a burst of acceleration, you speed off from Sweet Apple Acres, leaving a rainbow trail behind you. In a few moments, you are hiding in the upper branches of the Ponyville Library.
RD: Sorry, one-trick pony. You can't catch me that easily.
PP: Did I mention it has multiple uses per day?
RD: Ahhh! DASH OFF TO EVERFREE FOREST.
PP: I hop after her.
RD: Ha! My cutie mark gives me the ability "After Image". I leave a rainbow trail headed toward the Everfree Forest, then hide in a cloud. *roll* 17.
DM: As you hide in a cloud, you see Pinkie Pie hopping away in the direction of your rainbow trail.
RD: Now I fly in the opposite direction and land where there's no other ponies around.
DM: You eventually touch down next to a lake.
RD: Sorry Pinkie, but if you don't know where I'm going, even your "Friend Finder" can't get to me.
PP: *surfaces* I don't need to know where you're going!
RD: Ahh! DASH OFF TO...Nevermind. I give up.
PP: Yay! That was my last use of it for today. Guess I lucked out.
RD:...Can I still-
DM: Out-of-character knowledge and you had already admitted defeat.
RD: Dang it.
Kaleopolitus 16th Mar 2012, 11:48 AM edit delete reply
Kaleopolitus
... I'm going to have to bake more cookies.
Lyntermas 16th Mar 2012, 1:52 PM edit delete reply
Cookies? For me? Thanks.
Let's fast-forward to "Party of One".

DM: Rainbow Dash, your path leads you by a bale of hay with a jacket, hat, and Groucho Marx glasses.
RD: Wait, with my knowledge of pranking, could I tell it's probably Pinkie Pie?
DM:...It's unlikely to be anyone else, admittedly. Pinkie, you see Rainbow Dash approaching with filled up saddlebags.
PP: Rainbow Dash, you've got some explaining to do!
RD:...DASH DOWN THE ALLEY.
DM: You streak down a side alley some distance away. You don't see Pinkie behind you.
RD: Phew.
PP: Where are you going?
RD: How...oh, no, the "Friend Finder". DASH TO THE SCHOOLHOUSE BELLTOWER.
DM: You soar to the schoolhouse and climb inside the bell.
RD:...Wait for it.
PP: What was the real reason you didn't want to go to Gummy's party!?!
RD: Alright, I remember she's only got one charge left. DASH TO ICY PEAK MOUNTAIN.
DM:...What?
RD: You know, the one where that big dragon was.
DM: Oh, right. The bell rings loudly as you fly off once again. You reach the mountain, but due to your continous dashing, you don't climb very high before you start to tire out.
RD: That's fine. I go to rest on a ledge.
DM: As you reach the ledge, a pink hoof reaches down and helps you up.
PP: What's in the bag!?!
RD: Sorry, Pinkie. Can't have you following me anymore. Just head back to Ponyville. DASH OFF TO..um, you know where I'm really headed right.
DM: Yes. You dash off back towards Ponyville, leaving Pinkie Pie on the ledge.
PP: Oh, no you don't. I use "Dance Proficiency" and declare Rainbow Dash as my dance partner.
DM:...Dance Proficiency?
PP: Read this sentence here.
DM:...This skill ensures that the user is able to to keep pace with any dance, from a waltz to a salsa to even the lightning shimmy. But how do..Oh. Oh you mean...
PP: I think you got it.
RD: Got what? How can dancing help her now?
DM:...Dash, as you look behind you, you see Pinkie Pie chasing you with a pink and green streak behind her, matching your speed. She may not be able to overtake you, but you won't be able to lose her.
RD:...Oh crap.
Kaleopolitus 16th Mar 2012, 4:14 PM edit delete reply
Kaleopolitus
Better nerf Pinkie Pie!
PhantomFox 16th Mar 2012, 4:35 PM edit delete reply
The definition of 'lethal joke character'
Jason Shadow 16th Mar 2012, 4:43 PM edit delete reply
Equestria may be ruled by two Princesses, but it seems that Pinkie Pie is a...
*puts on sunglasses*
...Dancing Queen.

YEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAHno.
Lyntermas 16th Mar 2012, 8:35 PM edit delete reply
Well, ponies may age at different rates than Earth horses, but they tend to be seen as young adults, so she can be 17 if you want.

Yeah, Pinkie Pie can be a bit overpowered at times. It's not necessarily her fault, it's just that whoever was writing the bard skills left a bit in ambiguity that could be exploited. That's why the DM had to nerf the Pinkie Sense.

...

Oh, you were expecting another alt-script? Nah, maybe next post.
Lyntermas 16th Mar 2012, 8:36 PM edit delete reply
Comic. I meant next comic.
Stairc 16th Mar 2012, 9:19 PM edit delete reply
I think this calls for...

PONY METAL!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSVBcm_BZRs&feature=related
Scienceandponies 16th Mar 2012, 11:20 PM edit delete reply
Am I the only one who's personal head canon makes the whole Nightmare Moon thing a result of mostly internal feeling given a little push by Discord as a parting gift? Like at the end of the final battle when Celestia and Luna seal him away, he reaches out and plants a seed in her mind to stoke her anger and resentment over the years. Gives a nice http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MoreThanMindControl angle with a bit of http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AsLongAsThereIsEvil thrown in the mix. Someone else has explored this right? I don't have to go start writing fanfics?
RealityCheck 20th Mar 2012, 11:59 PM edit delete reply
well of course she was cringing. She'd just bloody tried to take over Equestria-- AGAIN. "Awkward" doesn't quite cover it.
RealityCheck 21st Mar 2012, 12:03 AM edit delete reply
personally I thought her pranking the Cakes humanized (pony-ized?) her a little. It has to be tiring having everyone you meet acting like they're walking on eggshells.

As to her being a Chessmaster... I'd think it'd probably be inevitable. Just that much experience... look at it this way; to a toddler, Mom is a psychic precognitive chessmaster genius. To mere mortals, someone who's lived for countless centuries would seem the same way. And after living for thousands of years, laying out your plans a month in advance would qualify as spur-of-the-moment.
Vulpis 23rd Jul 2012, 7:23 PM edit delete reply
Actually, I think that probably answers the whole 'Tyrant Celestia' thing right there--it's not so much that she *is*, but everyone, and I mean *everyone* acts like she will be. It reminds me a lot of Vanyel from Mercedes' Lackey's 'Herald-Mage of Valdemar' trilogy. Vanyel has a *lot* of power and as a result, as another character tries to explain to him, 'They're worried a bird will crap on you, and you'll level half the city.' (Vanyel meanwhile brushes that off, and thinks the reactions he gets are for another reason entirely that I won't go into here..)
Kapten-N 5th Apr 2012, 2:23 AM edit delete reply
A lot of people think it's weird that Twilight is surprised to hear that Luna is the sister of Celestia, because she read it in the book in the begining. But the book never said that the two sister princesses were Celestia and Luna, so nothing until this point in the episode hints to that Celestia is over a thousand years old.
J-Kwez 8th Aug 2012, 8:47 PM edit delete reply
When I DM it tends to be "CAMPAIGN! FUCKING! INTRO!" This DM is really patient
Grant 20th Jan 2014, 1:20 AM edit delete reply
Yeah. Gets weird when you remember that the intro outright called Moon a sister. Either Celestia never told anyone how old she was or those people have the worst education system on the planet.
Venseyness 2nd Aug 2015, 12:23 PM edit delete reply
Really DM? If we say everything in this campaign so far, then they did NOT hear about them being sisters. At all. Ever.