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27th May 2017, 6:00 AM
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Mafia, Part 12
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Newbiespud 27th May 2017, 6:00 AM edit delete
Newbiespud
Author: DragonTrainer

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ANW 27th May 2017, 6:03 AM edit delete reply
So it's not an automatic knock out rule this around.
ANW 27th May 2017, 6:20 AM edit delete reply
I came up with a weapon concept idea, tell me what you think.
As we know, healers tends to not get attack options.
Hit with weapon up close, or use a limited use spell.
This will help them with long range.
Needle knives.
Gives them a long range item, that isn't a bow.
Can be used as makeshift scalpers as well.
Use them gives them the quick aim perk.
Fire without the aim turn, but lowers hit chance.
Useful for finishing off a weaken enemy.
You only get one pack, but you buy refills.
Pack cost 20 gold, groups of 5 for 1 gold.
Can be useful for the thief as well.
Kaze Koichi 27th May 2017, 9:01 PM edit delete reply
For some reason I read this as a song
Samwich 28th May 2017, 9:18 AM edit delete reply
Needle guns do exist in TF2, but I don't know their stats
Venseyness 27th May 2017, 6:27 AM edit delete reply
I'm fully expecting the swerve to be that Pinkie's mafia, Rarity's the detective and Pinkie's the ultimate bluffer.
CCC 27th May 2017, 9:11 AM edit delete reply
If that's the case, and Rarity gets herself lynched today, then doesn't that mean that Pinkie will inevitably get herself lynched tomorrow?
The Old One 27th May 2017, 11:22 AM edit delete reply
Party Bard vs Party Rogue? Bye bye Rarity.....

Pinkie will undoubtedly get axed the next evening UNLESS she's really Mafia, since theres 3 Mafia left, even if the townies get one tonight, that's still two stabbings and the Nurse can only prevent one.
Or UNLESS the Mafia are surprisingly clever that they axe two townies, at which point Pinkie becomes a prime suspect, although by that point they've already won by attrition.

That said, if the player who is Trixie said what she said with that expression, she's a suspect too. She looks too damn cocky to be a townie.
tolich 28th May 2017, 12:19 PM edit delete reply
tolich
If Rarity isn't mafia, then Pinkie will not be lynched tomorrow, for there will be no tomorrow. For those who lost tracks: there're 3 mafia, 2 civilians and 2 detectives now. Kill one civilian, and mafia wins.
Makaira 29th May 2017, 6:03 AM edit delete reply
That's another thing that's bugged me about the rules for this game. It starts 2 detectives, 1 nurse, 6 civilians, and 4 mafia. The mafia know who each other are, and in addition to picking 2 people to kill every night they get to nominate/vote on who gets lynched every day. That's just way too much influence on how events unfold - day as well as night.

There were 13 players to start. Since the game started with a night phase, that's 1 guaranteed mafia kill, possibly 2. So with 11-12 players remaining, the mafia only needed 3 of the 7 or 8 non-mafia to vote with them to guarantee a lynching of a non-mafia in the day phase. OTOH, for the non-mafia to successfully lynch a mafia during the first day required 7 concurring votes of 7 or 8 non-mafia players. The game is stacked heavily in the mafia's favor.

Even right now, with 3 mafia, 2 civilians, 2 detectives, and 1 nurse and remaining, the mafia effectively only need to convince 1 non-mafia to vote with them to cause a stalemate in this day's lynching (4 vs 4). To successfully lynch a mafia today, ALL 5 non-mafia have to agree.
Super_Big_Mac 29th May 2017, 9:45 AM edit delete reply
Super_Big_Mac
Mafia's supposed to have a stacked deck, to be fair. (ha! "fair.")

For a (somewhat) more balanced game, try Town of Salem's Classic mode. 15 is the max number of players in a game, and the usual breakdown is like this:
1 Doctor
1 Sheriff (Detectives as seen here)
1 Jailor (Can Jail and execute the one they've jailed)
1 Medium (Speaks with the dead)
1 Investigator (Isn't as certain as the Sheriff, but can get clues about any Townie, meaning they could potentially stop a Doctor from being lynched)
Escort (Stops one person from performing their tasks each night)
Lookout (Sees everyone who visits the person they're watching)
Then there's a Town Killing, which will either be a Veteran (can go on "alert" 3 nights in the game, killing any who trespass) or a Vigilante (Can shoot anyone after starting Night 2, will commit suicide if they kill a Townie)
There's also 1 Random Town, who can be any of the above Roles except Jailor; there can only be one Jailor.

For the Mafia side of things, there's the Godfather, Mafioso, and Framer. Instead of killing two people each night, they kill one, and make another look suspicious to the Sheriff.

The last three roles are Serial Killer, Executioner (whose goal is to get a townie lynched), and a Jester (who wants the Town to lynch them, and is what the Executioner becomes if they fail their task).

It's a fun and hectic game, especially online with randoms.
tolich 29th May 2017, 9:51 AM edit delete reply
tolich
I repeat. There're 1 civilian and 1 nurse, not 2 civilians. My bad.
Guest 29th May 2017, 9:50 AM edit delete reply
Oops... There're 1 civilian and 1 nurse, not 2 civilians. My bad.
Ishidan 27th May 2017, 2:26 PM edit delete reply
And what about Fluttershy?
She hasn't said a word yet.
And now Spike picks her as the witness to Twi's death.
Innocent and traumatized civilian?
Or Mafia hitmaster, reviewing the work of her offscreen cockatrice wiseguy?
N/A 27th May 2017, 6:31 AM edit delete reply
Ohhhh dear. I think Trixie just figured out who the Nurse is, too.
Digo Dragon 27th May 2017, 8:34 AM edit delete reply
Digo Dragon
RD did implicate herself as Nurse, yeah. If I were mafia... RD getting the axe.
Brickman 27th May 2017, 8:49 AM edit delete reply
Honestly she implicated herself as nurse on day 1 if you're paying enough attention. If RD is the nurse, she is really bad at bluffing.
Cass 27th May 2017, 11:30 AM edit delete reply
If RD is the nurse she needs to really quickly spin it that she was sure for some reason that Twilight was Mafia (bought Rarity's excuse for her innocence the previous day and thought Twi was mafia trying to herd them or something) if she wants to dredge up some doubts.
Rastaba 27th May 2017, 6:47 AM edit delete reply
Rastaba
I wanna see Rarity's banished/lynched look. I really really do! It is bound to be hilarious!
Solario the Visored 27th May 2017, 7:53 PM edit delete reply
Now she'll have to go into exile! Where will she go...? And what is she going to pack? Should she pack warm?
Draxynnic 28th May 2017, 3:35 AM edit delete reply
I'm seeing her being carried off by Diamond Dogs...
tolich 28th May 2017, 12:26 PM edit delete reply
tolich
Or she can be taken to the moon.
ZhonLord 28th May 2017, 7:03 PM edit delete reply
Or she collapses in sheer shock from being discovered, onto her fancy red couch/chair, and then can't move again afterward.
tolich 28th May 2017, 8:35 PM edit delete reply
tolich
Well, until a lot of ice-cream is eaten.
Ishidan 29th May 2017, 11:27 PM edit delete reply
Condemned to be eaten by a green Gelatinous Cube?

Tarred and feathered-but lacking any tar, they used mud, and lacking any feathers, they jammed an old hat on her and called it a day?
Kereea 27th May 2017, 6:51 AM edit delete reply
Ah. I didn't know that rule. The mafia must have been trying to bluff out the nurse then since the nurse has had decent luck so far...that or because Twilight was doing the best job of ferreting people out and thus the mafia knew that A) they had to get rid of her and B) the nurse would assume they'd try to get rid of her and try to save her so if they double-tapped the nurse couldn't save her which would C) likely have the nurse accidentally slip up and indicate they're the nurse if it's someone easily frustrated and emotional enough to give this away which face it, is most of the table. Best poker faces left are Rarity and Trixie's players, everyone else is prone to slip-ups so unless either of them is the nurse it would work like a charm.

The problem is Pinkie IS a decent actress when enthused. So if she's giving her role her all and the role is "mafia pretending to be detective" then she'll play it to the hilt...or she's just overeager since there's still three mafia remaining and she needs to get some fast.
Rooker 29th May 2017, 11:23 AM edit delete reply
Rooker
I think Fluttershy is an underestimated party for bluff factor. All she has to do is not speak up out of place. She's shy and soft-spoken all the time. You know who else tends to be bad with people and says little? A professional assassin! If Fluttershy were Mafia, her saving grace would be that she is so emotional and compassionate, she would never bring suspicion upon herself. She's upset that her friends are losing. If she is Mafia and doesn't feel guilty enough to confess, she could win the game single-hoofed because WHO WOULD LYNCH FLUTTERSHY!

I wouldn't. I'd be dead. Because Fluttershy! I would probably defend somebody like her even with evidence proving she is at least suspect.

Least likely villain, most likely to succeed at it. If Fluttershy is one of the bad guys, bad guys win. No doubts!
Guest 27th May 2017, 7:10 AM edit delete reply
So, the townies have a little breathing room here. One wrong vote won't lose them the game.

As for the next lynching, Rarity is going to immediately nominate her accuser. It certainly wouldn't be out of the question for a Mafia to claim to to be a Cop after all.

Considering how close the game is right now, I'm positive that the other Mafia will come to the defense of one of their own, which will make it rather telling who's who.

I'm also pretty sure that Pinkie Pie and Rarity can't both be Mafia, since making a show of nominating each other would only put them at a major disadvantage.

So, this rounds it down to two possibilities:
1.) Pinkie is a Cop, and Rarity is Mafia.
2.) Pinkie is Mafia, and Rarity is good.

If Pinkie is a Cop, then of course she's going to get herself nominated, and have to make a case for why they should lynch Rarity instead. But, considering that she's painted a big red bullseye on herself anyway, and that the townies have one wrong guess in them, the smart thing to do would be to just lay it all out on the table. She should reveal all of her investigation targets, including the ones who are definitely not Mafia. Then, once she gets killed (either by the lynching, or by the Mafia the next night), that will prove that she's a Cop, and give the townies the upper hand, while also ensuring that Mafia!Rarity will be taken care of in this or the next round.

But if Pinkie is Mafia, then she could do all of the same, as a clever double bluff. Now if Rarity gets lynched, and it turns out that Rarity is just a civilian, this won't help the Mafia much, especially since Pinkie will have basically outed herself as Mafia. But, Mafia!Pinkie would be banking on the fact that Rarity is either a Cop or the Nurse, and if she's right, that would give the Mafia a decisive advantage.

Personally, I think Pinkie's the Cop and Rarity's the Mafia. What about you?
Par 27th May 2017, 11:08 AM edit delete reply
What could also happen (though I doubt it would happen here) is for remaining Mafia other than, I guess Pinkie or Rarity, to nominate their own. Then if they get killed and turn out to be mafia, the ones who nominated the mafia are pretty much as un-suspect as they could be and can finish things. This could be what Pinkie's doing right now, if they're both Mafia. It works - I have seen it work in-game.
Ransom 27th May 2017, 7:14 AM edit delete reply
Interesting, I hadn't heard that rule before. It quite amusing to see the various characters' reactions. Rarity seems surprised or dismayed that Twilight was killed off, or perhaps that she was only a civilian?

The point at which someone says, "I'm a Cop! I'm the Nurse!" etc is always interesting because A) They could be lying, two different people claiming to be the nurse is always good B) The Mafia has a dilemma: Kill them off and confirm their accusations are true, or work let them live and continue doing what they do. In this game, characters always reveal their roles when they die, otherwise you might want to try and turn the tables to get the crowd to go hang them.
The MunchKING 27th May 2017, 3:40 PM edit delete reply
The MunchKING
Well to be fair, they're getting down to where the jobs are the only nonMafia left. I doubt Pinkie admitting she's a cop is going to get her killed faster than not at this point.
Draxynnic 28th May 2017, 3:39 AM edit delete reply
Not quite. There's one civilian left. But yes, if Pinkie is a cop, she might well consider herself to be expendable at the moment - the town can afford to lose a cop more than they can afford to lose the Nurse right now.
Draxynnic 28th May 2017, 3:42 AM edit delete reply
PS Unless the Mafia loses the second strike when they drop down to 2.
evilauthor 27th May 2017, 7:49 AM edit delete reply
I just love the expressions used for Rarity. When Twilight says that she's a civilian, you can clearly see through Rarity's expression alone what she's thinking: "Oh crap! I thought you were one of the cops!"

OTOH, Pinkie just outed herself as one of the cops, which would make her the next logical mafia target.
werefrog 27th May 2017, 8:00 AM edit delete reply
Never played a game of mafia with "detective" or "nurse" before, and the rules weren't actually laid out at the beginning.

How do the different roles work?
Platonix 27th May 2017, 8:31 AM edit delete reply
The Detectives (despite Pinkie's wording, there are two this game) can choose one target to investigate each night. By giving a thumbs-up or thumbs-down, the moderator reveals to the Detectives whether or not the target is Mafia... which gives the town an advantage when voting on whom to lynch, IF the Detective(s) reveal who they are (thus painting a target on themselves for the Mafia) and convince the civilians that they're telling the truth.

The nurse picks one target to save each night. If, through luck or clever deduction, the nurse happens to pick someone the Mafia has also picked, the kill is negated (such as in the first Day phase, when the witch who offed Luna almost killed Applejack but then didn't.) However, if the Mafia target one person multiple times in one night, the nurse only negates one of those targets and the victim is killed anyway.
Chakat Firepaw 27th May 2017, 9:09 PM edit delete reply
The game also can have many more roles to make large games more interesting, such as:

(These are actually from Werewolf, so the theme is a bit different. Villager=Civilian, Werewolf=Mafia, Bodyguard=Nurse, Seer=Detective)

"Villager Team" (Wins if all Werewolves killed.)
Stone Mason - Multiple and they know each other.
Hunter - When killed, gets an unstoppable kill of any other player.
Witch - Knows who is going to die, can stop one death and kill one person over the course of the game.
Scryer - Knows the identity of the Seer, and who is going to die. May tell the Seer who will die before the Seer investigates.
Matchmaker - Names two players as Lovers, the Lovers win so long as they survive the game but if one dies the other dies as well.

"Werewolf team" (Wins if there are at least as many Werewolves as non-Werewolves. N.B. The Cultists etc. are not Werewolves.)
Cultists - Multiple and they know who each other and the werewolves are.
Sorceress - Investigates like the Seer but is looking for the Seer.
Warlock - Blocks one player from using his night abilities, may not block the same person two nights in a row.

Special:
Fool - Wins game if lynched, neither Werewolves nor Villagers win but the Thief and Lovers do if still alive.
Were-Hamster - Cannot be killed by the Werewolves, wins rather than the Villagers or Werewolves if alive at game end and the Fool has not been lynched.
Thief - Wins if alive at game end.
Devil - Kills one person a night, cannot win.
Gravedigger - Sees everything that goes on at night, is secretly assigned to win with either the Villagers or the Werewolves.
Winged Cat 28th May 2017, 1:32 PM edit delete reply
Winged Cat
If the Devil can not win, why should the Devil play?

"Here's your role card. You lost before you did anything." It's even worse than a Night 1 death.
Zengar 28th May 2017, 5:18 PM edit delete reply
As I understand it, not having played Werewolf myself, many of the roles are not filled in any given game and the devil is one of the otions that may or may not come up. It's primarily intetended for the type of player I don't like playing with in the first place: "Well, I've lost to begin with, so lets see how much I can mess with them!"

The devil tries to identify the "special win condition" characters such as the were-hamster or the thief and take them out.
Chakat Firepaw 30th May 2017, 10:01 AM edit delete reply
The entire purpose of the Devil is to speed up large games, it's also going to be one of the last cards added to the deck.

Werewolf/Mafia is also one of those games like Nuclear War: Sure you are going to try to win, but that's not why you are playing the game.
Anon 27th May 2017, 8:14 AM edit delete reply
Just pointing out that Rarity herself said that if she were Mafia she'd have taken out Twilight since Twi's so quick to pick up games like this. Either Rarity isn't Mafia and someone (possibly Pinkie) really wanted to get the others to make a mistake, or Rarity is taking one for Team Mafia in order to eliminate someone she regards as a major threat.

Whether it's the former or the latter the next daytime segment should prove whether or not Pinkie is telling the truth. If Pinkie is Mafia and was lying to get rid of Rarity then she'll be ousted as Mafia in the next day round. If Pinkie is a cop... well, she just painted a major target on herself and I think the Mafia team might do the "forgo a second kill to guarantee one" thing again in the next night round.
Kaze Koichi 27th May 2017, 12:17 PM edit delete reply
/you forgot that one of the mafia was already lynched. There is only one mafia left, so no "taking one for the team" is possible.
Anon 27th May 2017, 12:45 PM edit delete reply
This game has four mafia, they've only caught one (Shining Armor).
Kaze Koichi 27th May 2017, 8:52 PM edit delete reply
I need to check the first page again.
Ishidan 27th May 2017, 9:03 AM edit delete reply
Heh, I knew RD would not be able to prevent herself from making a blatant tell.
Tempestfury 27th May 2017, 9:19 AM edit delete reply
Wait... why is RD so confused?
Ransom 27th May 2017, 10:29 AM edit delete reply
She didn't know/remember the rule that the Mafia could choose to only kill one, in order to prevent any nurse saving.
Tempestfury 29th May 2017, 7:01 AM edit delete reply
Oh right... somehow I missed Trixe saying that. In all honestly I'm not sure what I think about that rule, it makes the Nurses Job all but impossible.
Guest 27th May 2017, 1:14 PM edit delete reply
I noticed a minor slip-up: In the transcript, you have Rarity down as saying Pinkie's 'I investigated Rarity' line.
Winged Cat 28th May 2017, 1:33 PM edit delete reply
Winged Cat
There's a transcript?
Jennifer 27th May 2017, 10:25 PM edit delete reply
I've never heard the "ensuring a kill" rule. How does it work?
ANW 27th May 2017, 10:48 PM edit delete reply
The nurse can only block one strike.
If the Mafia strikes the same target twice, the nurse blocks the first, but doesn't stop the second.
HopeFox 28th May 2017, 2:39 AM edit delete reply
Hang on. In the first Day phase, Applejack's player asked for clarification, that the Mafia tried to kill her but the Nurse saved her. That implies that that information (whether someone was targeted but saved) is publicly available. Why isn't that the case for this Day phase?
Draxynnic 28th May 2017, 3:43 AM edit delete reply
Valid point. I was wondering how the narrator would do the 'Nurse blocked one strike but not the second' thing. It is strange that the answer seems to have been to ignore it altogether.
tolich 28th May 2017, 12:40 PM edit delete reply
tolich
According to her player's sheet, Rarity has the best Bluff skill of Mane six, and Pinkie Pie is the second.
old trick 28th May 2017, 5:51 PM edit delete reply
Come on! it's a very old trick! Say you are a cop and that you suspect someone else is Mafia when you are Mafia.
DuskNote 18th Jun 2017, 3:06 AM edit delete reply
Having finished the arc I have to say. I never questioned why Rainbow reacted the way she did until watching the night phases. Interesting.