Page 911 - Mafia, Part 10 (Night Phase)

23rd May 2017, 6:00 AM
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Mafia, Part 10 (Night Phase)
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Newbiespud 23rd May 2017, 6:00 AM edit delete
Newbiespud
Author: DragonTrainer

Newbiespud's Note: The contents of the Night Phase pages are spoilers for those deciding to skip until the end. Try not to spoil who's who in future comments sections.

I've already had to delete a few comments because of poorly managed spoilers.

40 Comments:

RandomRex6 23rd May 2017, 6:01 AM edit delete reply
(Grabs popcorn)

Dis gonna be good.
Chimerat 23rd May 2017, 11:20 PM edit delete reply
Indeed. But why would they only select one person? Is it to make it less obvious who the Mafia are?
ZhonLord 24th May 2017, 3:11 AM edit delete reply
It's more a question of whether the Mafia want quality or quantity. If they target one person only, then it's harder for the Nurse to save someone. Plus, sometimes the Mafia just see a REALLY juicy target and unanimously agree that that one needs to go.
paradoxical 24th May 2017, 5:48 AM edit delete reply
Still that juicy of a target means that the nurse sees it too.

I guess it could be a "point at the person(s)" you want to remove.
ZhonLord 28th May 2017, 10:20 AM edit delete reply
So apparently, there's a rule for some versions of Mafia where they unanimously target one person instead of two, and the Nurse can't save whoever is chosen. Ouch.
Digo Dragon 23rd May 2017, 6:19 AM edit delete reply
Digo Dragon
Heh, I figured the cops were going to investigate Rarity. Logical choice. Now how to convince everyone to put her back on the chopping block without revealing themselves as cops?
Draxynnic 23rd May 2017, 6:39 AM edit delete reply
Well, there were good arguments made for Rarity in the previous day phase, which Pinkie participated in. So she could potentially rehash the same argument, emphasising that just because SA was Mafia doesn't mean Rarity isn't too.

It's also curious that, if I read the comic right, the Mafia chose to only target one pony. If I was them, I'd have probably targeted Pinkie as well - or, if targeting both of them might have given more credibility to their arguments against Rarity, picked a random other target to at least get somebody eliminated.
Khyrin 23rd May 2017, 6:51 AM edit delete reply
I think Twilight was targeted as well, otherwise panel 4 would have been empty, rather than a tinytwi.
Pablo360 23rd May 2017, 6:39 AM edit delete reply
Pablo360
I don't think that's going to be a problem.
Digo Dragon 23rd May 2017, 6:57 AM edit delete reply
Digo Dragon
Well Pinkie and Twi have been the most vocal when discussing who is mafia. To bring back the argument on Rarity, while logical, does paint a target on yourself for knowing quite a bit. Twi has just been picked.

Perhaps they can get Soarin to speak out more?
Ishidan 23rd May 2017, 10:38 AM edit delete reply
Oh, they have to do it like that?
A successful investigation does not result in an automatic arrest during the day phase, with the DM just narrating a backstory as he does for mafia hits or town lynchings?
HopeFox 24th May 2017, 2:08 AM edit delete reply
They probably don't care about revealing themselves as cops, at this late stage of the game. In fact, if they could convince everyone that they were cops (and not Mafia claiming to be cops), then they should do so immediately, guaranteeing another Mafia kill. The Nurse could then protect one of the cops, guaranteeing another round of cop information and hopefully another successful Mafia kill.
paradoxical 24th May 2017, 5:49 AM edit delete reply
They could reveal themselves as cops at this point and it would be no problem in that they would be 4 to two
Digo Dragon 24th May 2017, 11:17 AM edit delete reply
Digo Dragon
But there lies the rub--CAN they convince the people that they're the cops? what if the mafia come out and say "No, we're the cops".

Suddenly you have a Spartacus problem. :D
andreas002 23rd May 2017, 6:35 AM edit delete reply
andreas002
Maybe I missed something, but... Did the mafia only target Twi? They can target 2.
Pablo360 23rd May 2017, 6:40 AM edit delete reply
Pablo360
They also targeted Rarity, it looks like.
Draxynnic 23rd May 2017, 7:03 AM edit delete reply
They're not targeting Rarity - Rarity is one of them.

Thinking on it, if I was them, I'd have targeted the Wonderbolt pony and try to make it look like Rainbow Dash was mafia after all. If they take out one pony, it becomes 4 town versus 3 mafia - they only need to get one town player to vote with their block and they win (next night phase they kill at least one pony, and then they outnumber the town on the next vote). If they got two, then... well, what does happen when the vote gets tied?
CocoaNut 24th May 2017, 3:31 AM edit delete reply
I think the rule is this: Each pick by the mafia is one targeting. The doctor can protect against one targeting. Ergo, targeting a single player means a guaranteed kill.
CocoaNut 24th May 2017, 3:31 AM edit delete reply
I think the rule is this: Each pick by the mafia is one targeting. The doctor can protect against one targeting. Ergo, targeting a single player means a guaranteed kill.
Pablo360 23rd May 2017, 6:41 AM edit delete reply
Pablo360
Wait, did Pinky just find out that RD is the Nurse?
ANW 23rd May 2017, 6:44 AM edit delete reply
Nope, she just surprised that she got one.
Kaze Koichi 23rd May 2017, 7:26 AM edit delete reply
Wait, one of mafia is down, and they still can target two people? The game can over very fast that way.
Wulfraed 23rd May 2017, 7:42 AM edit delete reply
There is something about Rarity's green manic eyes in the third panel that sells that scene (it helps that it looks like Trixie is deferring the choice to Rarity)
Kereea 23rd May 2017, 10:24 AM edit delete reply
Dash was smart to save Twi. She and Pinkie were the two leading the charge and Twi did a lot of legwork to catching SA.
aerion111 23rd May 2017, 11:12 AM edit delete reply
aerion111
Dash has been having surprisingly good luck with these saves overall.
DragonTrainer 23rd May 2017, 3:03 PM edit delete reply
DragonTrainer
Ah, sorry. I should probably explain this here. I'm going with the rule that if Mafia can target two, they can choose the same target twice to override the Nurse's protection.
Bed Head 23rd May 2017, 3:13 PM edit delete reply
Ouch, so Twi's toast despite RD's protection then?
Winged Cat 23rd May 2017, 4:32 PM edit delete reply
Winged Cat
Err. Yeah, hopefully this will be explained the next day. Still feels like a mistake for them to do so, though.
Kaze Koichi 23rd May 2017, 5:08 PM edit delete reply
So one pony is toasted no matter what. Too bad. I liked hearing at the morning "no one is dead, because a nurse saved the day." Gives a feeling of accomplishment to the town.
Ishidan 23rd May 2017, 5:59 PM edit delete reply
Oh I can see it.
"As dawn rises, two series of loud noises wake the town. The first is a squad of royal constables, kicking down the door to Rarity's house. It's an anti-Mafia raid."
"Ok, you got me. I'm mafia."
*Image: Rarity having the antimagic field applied from the sports arena*
RD and Twi: Woooo! That's two! Only two mafia left!
"The second is a massive explosion, as a Mafia-planted bomb levels Twilight's house. Burning books rain down for miles, and no life inside has a chance of surviving."
RD: What? But I...oh damn.
*Uproarious laughter from Rarity and Shining*
Twi: Good lord, Spike.
"It was the second time the Mafia targeted her, and they wanted to make sure."
Makaira 24th May 2017, 1:47 AM edit delete reply
What order do these events happen in the night? The fact that the mafia's turn is first seems irrelevant to the time-order of events, since the nurse goes last but can still save someone the mafia targeted. Does Rarity being exposed by the cops mean the mafia lose one of their number halfway through the night, and thus lose their second kill (assuming 1-2 mafia = 1 kill, 3-4 mafia = 2 kills)? So Twilight lives?
Chakat Firepaw 26th May 2017, 8:19 AM edit delete reply
In general, the night events in Mafia or Werewolf occur at the same time. The turns are just a matter of practicality as you can't actually do them at the same time and the narrator sometimes needs to know one to handle another[1].

[1] e.g. The Warlock, who disables one player's night ability, has to go first and both the Witch and the Soothsayer need to go after it is known who is going to die, (because they know).
Draxynnic 24th May 2017, 1:09 AM edit delete reply
Ahhh, that explains it. So they're basically guaranteed to get at least one a turn (unless they lose a kill as their numbers drop), and if they REALLY want to get somebody, there's nothing the Nurse can do.

Which also pretty much means that if they identify the Nurse, the Nurse is toast.
Guest 23rd May 2017, 3:56 PM edit delete reply
These seem to be more cut & paste than Newbiespud's usual screenshots.
I can't recall ever seeing a green-eyed Rarity next to a Trixie wearing the Alicorn Amulet.
Boris Carlot 23rd May 2017, 5:45 PM edit delete reply
Dude's not got a lot of potentially relevant material to work with and it's not like he's drawing it himself. Gotta make do with what you can do.
Guest 25th May 2017, 5:47 AM edit delete reply
Oh, not complaining about cut & paste.
Very well done, in fact.
Just an observation. (And my memory _might_ have been wrong.)
Malroth 23rd May 2017, 11:50 PM edit delete reply
Malroth
Also this is a guest comic so not made by newbiespud
Digo Dragon 24th May 2017, 11:19 AM edit delete reply
Digo Dragon
Right. The cut/paste is really the big clue. Spud tends to just keep the screenshot intact.
N/A 24th May 2017, 11:31 AM edit delete reply
OhohHO VERY good. Rarity goes on about how if she were Mafia, she'd bump off somebody like Twilight, then bumps off Twilight as the cops investigate Rarity. Now the cops are going to say "she's mafia, she killed Twilight!" and Rarity gets to say, "please, this is an obvious frameup, do you really think I'd kill Twilight *after saying that's what I'd do?* Obviously, THEY'RE the Mafia, trying to frame me!" and then the cops get discredited or lynched.
Draxynnic 26th May 2017, 4:15 AM edit delete reply
So. In the next part, Pinkie calls out that she knows who the Mafia is. Let's analyse this claim...

There are currently 5 town players in play, with Twilight about to be removed, and 3 mafia. Pinkie knows who the cops are, and she knows that RD and TS aren't mafia. She also knows that Rarity is mafia.

This leaves three unknowns and two additional Mafia. So she doesn't know who the Mafia is. However, if the detectives are believed by the town and aren't eliminated, it will also be impossible to lynch the wrong person - Rarity gets lynched tomorrow. Next night, the cops investigate another player. If they investigate Dr Whooves, they've identified the last non-Mafia player and will know for sure who's Mafia or not. If they investigate another Mafia player, said Mafia player gets lynched next day, and they keep going until they investigate Whooves or run out of Mafia.

Of course, this neglects to consider any leap in logic that Pinkie may have made that allows her to exclude Whooves.