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Mafia, Part 0
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Newbiespud 29th Apr 2017, 6:00 AM edit delete
Newbiespud
Author: DragonTrainer

Newbiespud's Note: IT'S... a game of Mafia? In this webcomic? Starring the guest players from previous One Piece crossovers? Sure, why not!

How do the basics of Mafia work, you might ask. All roles are randomly assigned and secret. The players in the Mafia roles have to kill everyone else during the secret Night phases. The Civilians and support roles have to suss out who the Mafia are and lynch them during the Day phases. It's a game of improv, intrigue, detective work, and many, many arguments.

What does it have to do with D&D? Basically nothing! But it stars the player cast and it looks like fun.

As mentioned in this opening page, it's possible to play along in this guest comic arc without getting spoiled as to who is what role. But that will require skipping any upload that's marked (Night Phase).

The next update is a Night Phase. Skip it for now and wait for the page after it if you want to "play along."

56 Comments:

ANW 29th Apr 2017, 6:12 AM edit delete reply
Time for the ultimate prediction game.
Which of these players are the mafia?
Who ever gets the most right, wins.
Once you picked, you can not change.
Someone 29th Apr 2017, 6:32 AM edit delete reply
My money's on Whooves, Applejack, Fluttershy and Big Mac.
Registered 29th Apr 2017, 6:53 AM edit delete reply
...I just say that Dash is nurse, because that's probably wrong, but still hilarious.
Toric 29th Apr 2017, 7:18 AM edit delete reply
Mafia: Derpy, Rarity, Applejack, and Pinkie
Detectives: Luna and Trixie
Nurse: Rainbow Dash
Venseyness 29th Apr 2017, 7:42 AM edit delete reply
Mafia: Big Mac, Trixie, Dr.Whooves, Soarin
Detectives: Luna, Derpy (Derpy is just too much fun to leave out)
Nurse: Rainbow Dash
Winged Cat 29th Apr 2017, 2:31 PM edit delete reply
Winged Cat
I'm probably way off, but I lose nothing for gambling on some choice, so:

Mafia: Trixie, Whooves, Fluttershy, Soarin
Detectives: Rarity, Big Mac
Nurse: Armor

While Dash as Nurse would be amusing, her reaction seems more appropriate to something she'd view as a "nothing" role, namely Civilian.
Eccitaze: 30th Apr 2017, 1:26 PM edit delete reply
Mafia: Rarity, Big Mac, Trixie, Luna
Detectives: Fluttershy, Shining Armor
Nurse: Rainbow Dash
paradoxical 1st May 2017, 3:26 AM edit delete reply
Trixie Whooves Fluttershy and Rarity are mafia
Soarin and luna detectives
dash nurse
paradoxical 1st May 2017, 3:28 AM edit delete reply
switch him and luna. I don't have an account so can't edit.
Nahar 29th Apr 2017, 6:19 AM edit delete reply
Mac, Fluttershy, Luna and Twilight
Guest 29th Apr 2017, 6:49 AM edit delete reply
Mafia's the same as Werewolf? The game that is incredibly awful due to the lack of information?
Anvildude 29th Apr 2017, 7:48 AM edit delete reply
THANK YOU for also realizing how horrible these games are!

I mean, I suppose they're okay for extroverts, but for people who're nerdy, introverted, and don't like drinking, they're torturous.

I can barely tell when someone's being sarcastic, and you want me to determine whether or not an entire group of people are _lying_? Without knowing who my allies are, even?
redwings1340 29th Apr 2017, 8:03 AM edit delete reply
redwings1340
As a nerdy, introverted individual who has never had a drink in his life, I have a love/hate relationship with these games. On one hand, they can be super fun with the right friends. On the other hand, they're incredibly stressful and I need to be in the right mood for it.

They aren't something I'll go out of my way to play, but I will enjoy it from time to time. I'm super awkward, so I usually get killed off incorrectly early in the first game, before people realize I always act guilty and stop suspecting me, and then I kill everyone off successfully in a later game.

Its not as bad as cards against humanity though. That one I enjoy watching people play, but I am completely incapable of playing it myself. Way too awkward.
Godzfirefly 30th Apr 2017, 8:30 AM edit delete reply
As a nerdy introvert who doesn't drink, I've loved Mafia and games like it since before Werewolf became a Mafia-clone. If you know the people you're playing with, there's plenty of information from round one on. And, if you're an introvert...why are you playing games with people you don't know?

Now, if you're on the autism spectrum (even a little bit,) I can understand being frustrated with games like Werewolf. At that point, it's like playing one of the numerous games that require distinguishing color shades with a color blind player. But, that's not the fault of the game or its design. It's just not a game for that player (and it's the gaming group's fault for getting out a game that isn't more-or-less equally for everyone in the group.)
Kira 29th Apr 2017, 8:26 AM edit delete reply
It depends on who your playing with Town Of Salem is basically mafia under another name and you get plenty of information it's about intuition and guesswork based on how people act.

Guest 29th Apr 2017, 8:20 AM edit delete reply
You've got to remember: Mafia isn't about winning. Mafia is about lynching your innocent friends for absolutely no reason. If you actually have a good reason for any action in a game of Mafia, somebody's doing something wrong.
paradoxical 1st May 2017, 3:31 AM edit delete reply
I totally prefer the one round games. They have less stress and you don't leave people out.
Robin Bobcat 1st May 2017, 3:43 PM edit delete reply
Very much this.. though if you have a time limit, there is still a lot of stress, just a different sort.

But yeah, One Night Werewolf is amazing. It becomes a logic game, and the deceit is *delicious*. Who has what role? Can you trust them? Oh, ytou know they're that role, but what if they didn't do what they said they did..? Are the werewolves supporting one another to gain more information?

IT IS GLORIOUS.
The_Laurent 29th Apr 2017, 6:54 AM edit delete reply
Ah, so Town of Salem is based on this? I mean, Town of Salem seems like a larger, expanded, much more complex version of this kind of thing.
Winged Cat 29th Apr 2017, 2:16 PM edit delete reply
Winged Cat
You are correct. Werewolf, Salem...there are many variants to the core premise, and Salem just happens to be one that someone's spent a lot of time on.
Super_Big_Mac 29th Apr 2017, 11:39 PM edit delete reply
Super_Big_Mac
Nothing BAD ever happens in this town! xF
Psych0 1st May 2017, 1:34 AM edit delete reply
@Super_Big_Mac But not for long, I'll add fuel to the fire, by turning the town to a funeral pyre!
Breakfateschain 29th Apr 2017, 7:05 AM edit delete reply
I recommend putting a warning on the top of the comic next time for those who forget
BadHorse 29th Apr 2017, 8:02 AM edit delete reply
Main Guess:
Detectives: Whooves and Derpy
Mafia: Mac, Shy, Armor, Spike
Nurse: Dash

Alt Guess:
Detectives: Trixie and Rarity
Mafia: Mac, Whooves, Derpy, Luna
Nurse: Confused Guy

Final Guess:
Detectives: Shy and Armor
Mafia: Trixie, Luna, Twilight, Confused Guy
Nurse: Armor
ANW 29th Apr 2017, 8:06 AM edit delete reply
That confused guy is Soarin.
Guest 29th Apr 2017, 9:01 AM edit delete reply
Going for Armor having two roles? Gutsy.
BadHorse 29th Apr 2017, 10:46 PM edit delete reply
whoops
nathan400 29th Apr 2017, 9:55 AM edit delete reply
nathan400
I once played 16 games of Werewolf in a row. I was a wolf only twice, and I was dead by the second round in all but one of the games. The logic the other players used was that there was no way that I could possibly not be a wolf that often, so I must be a wolf now. The seventh time I drew villager in a row they accused me of being a wolf right off the bat. I couldn’t keep a straight face and started laughing at just how wrong they were, and it only got worse when they took that as confirmation that I was indeed a wolf. I laughed all through them voting near unanimously to lynch me, and when I flipped villager, I laughed all the harder at their flabbergasted expressions. The next round they finally gave a pass on lynching me, and I survived all the way to the end and won that round. As a werewolf.
Captain Bacon 29th Apr 2017, 11:21 AM edit delete reply
For all those in the comments who are saying they don't like these kinds of games because they're introverts, and as a fellow introvert, I have a suggestion. Turn all that fidgetyness and worry into disdain for your fellow man, and these games can be a load of fun. Mainly 'cause you just get to screw with people. C'mon, guys, lying is fun! Get in on it!
DeS_Tructive 30th Apr 2017, 4:14 AM edit delete reply
DeS_Tructive
These games (and their many bluff-game cousins) are usually the only opportunity you get to lie, betray and mock your friends, and vice versa.

The "I'm an introvert, this game sucks." statement is a copout: You've finally got an opportunity to practice those "skills" without more fallout than some laughs. Just don't focus so hard on "winning". Focus on finding out how far you can actually go.
AnnikaBell 1st May 2017, 6:34 AM edit delete reply
Not everyone enjoys lying, screwing with people, or being lied to/screwed with, even in jest.

Personally, I prefer to just watch other people play. That way, I can enjoy the antics without having to worry about reading people, accidently hurting someone/being hurt, or winning.

CrowMagnon 29th Apr 2017, 11:32 AM edit delete reply
I just need a refresher on who is whom outside of the Mane 6. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Big Mac = Cory
Derpy = Rika
Dr. Whooves = Luke
Trixie = Nat
Shining Armor = Gordon
Soarin = Phil
Luna = DM?
kgy121 29th Apr 2017, 12:08 PM edit delete reply
In theory, the best way for town to win is by just lynching down the order. The Mafia are non-randomly distributed, and people tend to try and make their murders look random. Going straight down the line will eventually hit all of them, and there's an 80% chance that the last person is not Mafia.

However, if the Mafia realizes this, they can disrupt this by doing the opposite; taking out people at the end of the order. Then you get back into playing the game, where you wonder if the Mafia stopped killing at a Mafia member, or if they're just stalling the progression down the other end.
Jennifer 29th Apr 2017, 5:40 PM edit delete reply
I have played this several times, and still cannot, for the life of me, understand how it works or what I'm supposed to do. It's kinda like the puzzle where everyone is issued different colors of hat and must work out the color of their own. There is some sort of strict logic to it, but I have no idea how it works.
Arcict 29th Apr 2017, 6:58 PM edit delete reply
The Mafia game is mostly a game of luck and reading people, the better you are at hiding your intentions the better you'll be as a "Mafia" but the better you are at reading the hidden intentions of others the better you are at finding the Mafia instead. It's more art than science.

The multiple-hats game is... well it's a logic puzzle with various rules, I've been going over a few Youtube videos showing such puzzles and riddles and the like, one where they're all in a line, or one where it's eye-color rather than hats and they can't leave without being 100% certain of their own color, the list goes on.

Without further qualifiers or rules for the "multi colored hats" puzzle the easiest way to answer it is "Hey, dude, what color is my hat?"

For the Mafia game, I kinda wish there was an intermediary phase, where they all had a chance to say what happened to them the night previous, forcing each of them to speak to give others a chance to catch what they're thinking or see their expressions.
Jennifer 1st May 2017, 6:39 AM edit delete reply
But if no one is allowed to speak, how can you POSSIBLY have any idea who is what role? In my experience it's just closing my eyes, opening them, someone's gone, repeat. There's nothing to guess at, nothing to DO, no way to reason out anything.

In most versions of the hats puzzle I've seen, you're not allowed to talk either unless you know your own hat color, and that's the only thing you can say. Again...
Guest 2nd May 2017, 8:26 AM edit delete reply
What do you mean? Of course you're allowed to speak in Mafia (until you're dead, of course.) That's half the point...trying to convince people of your role while convincing others to vote the way you want.
Jennifer 2nd May 2017, 10:57 AM edit delete reply
I'm talking about during the actual playing phase. You hear nothing, see nothing, (unless you're a character) and have no clue who anyone else is. And since anyone can say anything during the discussion phase, there's absolutely no clue what's going on.
Hawkflight 29th Apr 2017, 7:23 PM edit delete reply
I once played a game of Werewolf where I was the tanner, and managed to win via triple-reverse psychology. It was an amazing feeling.
Referee 29th Apr 2017, 8:56 PM edit delete reply
This is a cool project! I'll have to binge read the night phases after the game!

I don't like playing Mafia much, because there's this flaw in that a player killed early (most egregiously night 1) can only watch, and it will last for a while if the group is big.

That being said, we made an MLP version of the roles once, and we had some good fun playing Changeling! :)
Super_Big_Mac 29th Apr 2017, 11:44 PM edit delete reply
Super_Big_Mac
There's a version of Mafia on Steam (called Town of Salem) that's a LOT funner, a lot more intuitive, but still suffers from the "dead night 1 blues," though you COULD always leave and find a new game, if you really wanted to.

I've died N1 before, and figured out who different people are by virtue of not being an idiot, and helped my team win the game.

Oh, but your best bet is to never be a Townie. Being a Townie's basically a lynch-ticket, even if you're an investigative role, lmao.
Winged Cat 30th Apr 2017, 12:57 AM edit delete reply
Winged Cat
Salem (which you can also play online for free - I think this is "same game" to the point that it even connects to the same servers, so you can play your friends who have the Steam version) makes a minimal effort to fix the Dead Night 1 Blues by having a role that can talk to the dead, so the dead can give any evidence they saw while dying, and a "last will" that is revealed upon death so the dead can see if the living interpret it correctly (though this is more useful from someone who lived a few nights).
DeS_Tructive 30th Apr 2017, 4:24 AM edit delete reply
DeS_Tructive
Try the "One Night Ultimate Werwolf" version of the game. Basically, the game consists of one night, with one discussion and lynch vote. If the villagers/bystanders manage to kill a werwolf/mafia in that vote, they win. Otherwise the bad guys do.
Platonix 29th Apr 2017, 9:18 PM edit delete reply
Nothing wrong with a D&D group playing a game that has nothing to do with D&D. Happens in my group when more than one person can't make it that night, or when whoever's DM next isn't ready to run it yet that week. We've played games ranging from Cards Against Humanity to Super Dungeon Explore to Lords of Waterdeep to Ascension to Kobolds Ate My Baby. Fun times all around.
Silka 30th Apr 2017, 12:43 AM edit delete reply
I remember when my group did a round of Upper Hive (which is in the same vein as this). We probably have the record for THE shortest round ever: one of our players said, "Okay, it's the next morning, shanking circle, everybody! Anybody who bleeds purple is the Gene Stealer, and we string 'em up." Like good little Imperials, we thought that was a good idea. Our referee was... well, shocked. XD
Referee 30th Apr 2017, 9:13 AM edit delete reply
The day phases should come with a warning for people to not reveal things that happened during the night, for some people will want to skip those and not be spoiled. :)
LilyK 30th Apr 2017, 11:12 AM edit delete reply
Mafia: Rarity, Fluttershy, Shining Armor, Pinkie (Shy is a Godfather)
Detectives: Derpy, Luna
Nurse: Twilight
Ishidan 30th Apr 2017, 4:02 PM edit delete reply
So what else will they be playing?
Shadowrun?
Paranoia?
Digo Dragon 1st May 2017, 8:53 AM edit delete reply
Digo Dragon
I love me some Shadowrun. ^_^

This past weekend I was taught how to play Machi Koro. In my friends own words, it is essentially "a card game version of Monopoly, but one that takes much less time to finish the game and kill the other player."

It was actually a lot of fun and no one killed anyone. So... a better experience than Monopoly! ^^;
Mykin 1st May 2017, 12:00 PM edit delete reply
Mykin
I played Machi Koro while doing Tabletop at Everfree Northwest last year. Everyone kept buying the buildings that gave everyone money if it was rolled so it devolved into all of us calling each other "Komrade" and deciding that the game was about deciding who was the most "equal" among us. It was a lot of fun and I still carry on the Komrade thing with one of the people there to this day.

But yeah, I wouldn't mind some Shadowrun.
Digo Dragon 2nd May 2017, 6:14 AM edit delete reply
Digo Dragon
I ended up a bit stuck early on because I invested in cards with high numbers, but I couldn't build my train station to roll two dice. The reason was that everyone else had all the low number cards, so I was always ensuring I was broke to prevent them from taking all my money. Eventually people had to roll two dice because they kept trading money and stuck themselves. I soon was catching up. I didn't win, but gave 'em a good fight.
Evilbob 2nd May 2017, 11:47 AM edit delete reply
Evilbob
"devolved"? Doncha mean "evolved"? After all, we were all sporting fake Russian accents, Komrade!
Dadada 1st May 2017, 9:27 PM edit delete reply
I!!! LOVE!!! MACHI!!! KORO!!!
Cass 30th Apr 2017, 4:21 PM edit delete reply
As someone who used to play mafia online a lot, I've never gotten how you'd play it face to face. If you're Mafia (or part of any other specialized role that teams you up with others, out of the million homebrew possibilities) how do you communicate with the rest of your group without anyone getting suspicious without PMs or email? How you you even get enough information to work with if the whole game is condensed down into one evening instead of each game day taking a few realtime days of everyone roleplaying out their arguments?

I know the IRL version predates the internet, it just seems like it must be a lot different then what I'm used to.
DM's Choice 1st May 2017, 12:57 AM edit delete reply
In our brony-forum a few people run a version of this game called "Ponies vs. Changelings".
Reborn 1st May 2017, 11:15 AM edit delete reply
Be a great mafia leader with your dying will!