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13th Aug 2016, 6:00 AM
Shadow Fun
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Newbiespud 13th Aug 2016, 6:00 AM edit delete
Newbiespud
And that's Hurricane Fluttershy. For real this time! Next time... Over a Barrel, perhaps? Or maybe Pinkie Pride. Haven't quite decided yet at time of publishing.

We've got two, maybe two-and-a-half weeks of guest comics coming up. That'll start after I've concluded my 24th trip around the sun on Monday.

55 Comments:

GrayGriffin 13th Aug 2016, 6:17 AM edit delete reply
GrayGriffin
Hey, long combat encounters can be fun! At least if the DM gives the opponents some personality so you can banter with them.

...smacking that (literal) man-stealing harpy in the face was one of my favorite moments so far.
Digo 13th Aug 2016, 9:12 AM edit delete reply
Also helps if the combat has interesting mechanics and a variety of targets to keep everyone interested. Maybe some interactive terrain to foster creativity?
ANW 13th Aug 2016, 6:23 AM edit delete reply
If you was to give this story line a title beside Hurricane Fluttershy, what would it be?(You have to include her name somehow).
Best name gets a prize.
(Prizes are not real and will not truly be given out)
GrayGriffin 13th Aug 2016, 6:27 AM edit delete reply
GrayGriffin
Typhoon Fluttershy. :P
nathan400 13th Aug 2016, 3:19 PM edit delete reply
nathan400
Shyly Breezing Through
Chimerat 13th Aug 2016, 6:28 AM edit delete reply
Oh Gods...
"Next time... Over a Barrel, perhaps?"

Well...Let's see how you deal with the worst episode with the most anti-logical "moral" ("Some groups of people should just get stuff for free because they deserve it.") ever...
*sighs*

I'll try to prepare myself while the Guest Comics are running.
Zuche 13th Aug 2016, 7:27 AM edit delete reply
Free? It's their land! Expecting newcomers to pay rent for its use is reasonable.

I realize that's inconvenient for North Americans, but most of us live on stolen territory. The justification for this over the last few hundred years has been, "They're not using it, so they shouldn't have it."
Winged Cat 13th Aug 2016, 9:17 PM edit delete reply
Claims like that stop when everyone party to the original act is dead, if they have not stopped before then. Whatever rights or wrongs were done all those years ago, don't give the descendants of people X a right to kick the descendants of people Y out, when both sets of descendants were since born on the same land. (Not even getting into the fates of those who descend from both groups.)

Otherwise you'd have to go back to who the "Native" Americans - those still remaining when European settlers arrived - stole the land from, and who those people in turn stole the land from, and so on for over ten thousand years. All the continents have had waves of migration over history. There's literally no "unstolen" land on Earth (even Antarctica has its claimants). Nor does the problem stop with Earth: the Moon, Mars, and other celestial bodies have had conflicting claims on them for over a century; for example, NASA has been sued for parking on an asteroid someone had claimed.

Over A Barrel is different: it's dealing with the buffalo who were already there when the town sprang up, not their far-off ancestors. As stated below, the moral is about sharing and compromise, to end up with something better than either party could have had by themselves.
Digo 14th Aug 2016, 12:34 PM edit delete reply
I found it laughable when I read about that lawsuit against NASA. To quote Eddie Izzard, "Do you have a flag?"
aerion111 14th Aug 2016, 9:51 PM edit delete reply
aerion111
I could see an argument against the buffalo having a proper claim to the land.
In fact, I generally sided with the settlers when I watched the episode myself.
See, they merely stampeded THROUGH the land.
That's not a proper use; The settlers have a far greater need for the land, and with no work put into it the buffalo's claims aren't as strong as they seem to think.
The Buffalo will just have to go stampede somewhere else; Tradition should never be allowed to hurt someone's standard of living.

The 'paying rent' compromise was fine, to me, though.
Perhaps generous on the settlers' side, but 'rightly' so - it's the kind of generosity that makes for good neighbors and a good reputation, rather than the kind that leaves you vulnerable to being taken advantage of and gives you a fools' reputation.
BlueDragonAura 15th Aug 2016, 12:13 PM edit delete reply
Errr... If you really want to argue for the settlers, remember that there is no "proper use" of land. It's just dirt. Capitalism doesn't allow for "proper" or "improper" uses of property. What's theirs is theirs, period. If you want it, you pay for it.
Blueblade 15th Aug 2016, 9:46 PM edit delete reply
I can't believe there this much debate over a barrel. XD
I'll be here all week.
Newbiespud 13th Aug 2016, 7:59 AM edit delete reply
Newbiespud
To be fair, I should probably say it might not be Over a Barrel. I'm still trying to hash out the next arc's plot, and while Over a Barrel is at the top of the list, it's still a "maybe." I'll change the author's note to reflect this more clearly.

In the meantime, please don't start an argument down here.
Guest 13th Aug 2016, 10:16 AM edit delete reply
Since "Over a Barrel" was in season 1, it has an explicitly stated moral, and the summary of that moral is "friendship good, compromise good, sharing good." There's nothing in there about getting anything for free (other than the fact that expecting everything for free is usually antithetical to compromise).
Chimerat 16th Aug 2016, 6:38 AM edit delete reply
The final "compromise" was: The Settlers will remove the trees that are "in the way" (thus reducing their food supply) _AND_ get reduce their food supply even further by giving the Buffalo free pies.

The Buffalo...agreed not to attack the Settlement anymore?

Either way, I'll respect the Author's request not to continue this past this reply.
(Applejack will already deal with this in an AllUniverse Fic I'm doing anyway. >:D )
Dusk Raven 13th Aug 2016, 10:17 AM edit delete reply
I'm not really sure how you concluded that that was the moral. What I took from it was "sometimes working out a compromise is better than pointless fighting."

"Get stuff for free?" ...First thing I'm trying to comprehend was who was the one getting the free stuff...
Plague 13th Aug 2016, 6:57 AM edit delete reply
"what fluttershy's player"

Ehh I love this webcomic but lines like these bug me, I mean these girls are out of character as much as they are in at times, it doesn't feel right to not know the names of the players by now, but this might be me reading darths and droids, grandline 3.5 and jutsu and jinchuriki... One, am I the only one who feels this way? And two, tell a story about a time where someone or everyone got TOO into character.
Digo 13th Aug 2016, 9:17 AM edit delete reply
I've been in groups where we refer to one another soley by our characters because we had New members and not everyone's name was remembered yet. But... Yeah it is kind of odd to say "fluttershys player" this late in the game. Just have to sometimes accept it because there isn't much of an alternative.
albedoequals1 13th Aug 2016, 9:27 AM edit delete reply
albedoequals1
In the game I'm running, most of the players are using fake names because we're on the internet. The game has been running more than a year, so it's easier to remember character names than website usernames. It is weird, but that sort of thing can definitely happen.

5-hour combat encounters aren't so bad. I had a single battle that lasted three whole sessions (9 hours) and jumped back and forth between different parts of the party, who had split four ways to defend multiple targets. Admittedly, that was too much, but it was interesting.
Dusk Raven 13th Aug 2016, 10:20 AM edit delete reply
I've been in groups where we never stopped referring to each others' characters as "the Druid," "the Rogue," etc, much like RD did at the comic's beginning, and we never ended up learning each others' character's names.

Of course, we knew each others' actual names perfectly well, so I guess that's not really an example.
Digo Dragon 13th Aug 2016, 7:09 PM edit delete reply
Digo Dragon
My old d20 Modern group had some really colorful nicknames for each other. The system has generic classes based on Stats, so we took things in an odd direction; names like Race car, Jail-bait, His Holy Vodkaness...
Winged Cat 13th Aug 2016, 9:23 PM edit delete reply
Some people take Dungeon World as meant to be played that way. There is only one Wizard in the world, only one Paladin, and so on, and these are the player characters. So why not call the wizard "Wizard"? Especially where true names have mystical power.

Also, I could have sworn I've seen comics where e.g. Fluttershy's player was referred to as Fluttershy, as if the players named their characters after themselves.
Kaze Koichi 14th Aug 2016, 2:00 PM edit delete reply
In the original of them all, "DM of the ring" comic, players' names was not mentioned even once. Everyone refered to each other by their character's name, nickname of some sort or "dumbass."
Corundrom 13th Aug 2016, 9:33 AM edit delete reply
5 hour combat encounters? Our group wishes it could be that long, 90% of our encounters end in like, 5 turns, even that one time we fought a giant army mostly by ourselves with ingenious use of barrels of gunpowder, our dm has constantly been trying to come up with an encounter that actually takes longer than a handful of turns WITHOUT making an enemy just be a health sponge....so far nothing he's tried has worked (and we weren't even trying to min/max, Hell one of our guys is even physically unable to attack any living sapient being (intelligent undead don't count)....and this character is also a vampire himself
Anvildude 13th Aug 2016, 10:13 AM edit delete reply
The trick here is to make an enemy that's either an in-universe health-sponge (regenerator, ooze, something similar) or else make an enemy that doesn't get hit easily. Someone/thing agile, with high armour... Or he could always go all Tucker's Kobolds on you.
Malroth 14th Aug 2016, 1:49 AM edit delete reply
Malroth
Psion boss abusing Linked power Syncronicity Fission and Hustle to get all the turns ever
Dusk Raven 13th Aug 2016, 10:22 AM edit delete reply
Most of the combat encounters in the games I've been in feel like five-hour encounters. They aren't, really, but they tend to take a while.
terrycloth 13th Aug 2016, 10:22 AM edit delete reply
We've had 10-hour combat encounters... x.x

Take an entire castle. Fill with monsters. Obviously, the party's going to sneak in and assassinate the boss instead of fighting through. Only -- it's a trap! Even though he was incredibly hard to kill because of his specially tuned powerset that nullified most of your normal damage, that was only the number 2 guy! And now the whole castle is on alert, you've expended a bunch of resources, and you haven't actually completed the objective yet... and you can't just run away because then the rebel army you're supporting will be massacred...

I think that one ended up being a 10-hour combat encounter.
Jennifer 13th Aug 2016, 5:17 PM edit delete reply
Because I'm using the ultralite XD20, most of my combat encounters go very quickly. That's one of the intentions, as Tracy Hickman (the writer) feels combat makes a game lag right when it needs to get furiously fast. My real problem, as a GM, is avoiding having it devolve into a "you-hit, they-hit" situation.
Dusk Raven 13th Aug 2016, 10:23 AM edit delete reply
So, as usual, been a bit busy but a bit forgetful, but I really want to make guest comics this time. I've got a vague idea, but I think it might work. But what software to use? I recall some sort of program specifically for comics was brought up at some point...
Guest 13th Aug 2016, 1:43 PM edit delete reply
The About/FAQ page says Newbiespud uses Comic Life, but that's a paid program, last I checked.
Winged Cat 13th Aug 2016, 9:27 PM edit delete reply
...the deadline is in 2 days. It's probably a little late this time.

I'd recommend coming up with a script, and bouncing it by NS with the disclaimer that this is for next time. That way, when August 15 comes and goes you won't have missed the deadline. Continue working at it until you have the complete strip, then just keep it around until the next guest episode run.

As for software...I use Notepad to compose the scripts, then MS Paint to compose the comics. There is other, more efficient software I'd use if I did this more often. But it's not the software that's your problem.
Dusk Raven 14th Aug 2016, 12:36 AM edit delete reply
@Winged Cat: That's... not really any different then just waiting until next time and working on the ideas until then. I mean, I'll still have missed the deadline.

That being said... I do have access to Photoshop. If I can come up with a proper script by the 15th, I can make it work.
TheDapperChangeling 13th Aug 2016, 12:13 PM edit delete reply
Looks like someone got bit by the Shwadowrun bug.
Newbiespud 13th Aug 2016, 1:38 PM edit delete reply
Newbiespud
Just remembered: Counting both parts of the pilot as one arc and not counting the intermissions, this is the 10th arc of Friendship is Dragons.

This beast of a project keeps on surprising me.
Winged Cat 13th Aug 2016, 9:28 PM edit delete reply
And you keep surprising us. Looking forward to your taking the number of arcs to 11!
Pablo360 14th Aug 2016, 4:56 AM edit delete reply
Pablo360
That is a consistent pattern I've noticed with webcomics – good webcomics, ones that garner a stable fanbase, tend to run on indefinitely unless the author sets a precise ending goal for themselves. Once they pass a certain threshold, they can never simply "end" unless something forces them to.
Jennifer 13th Aug 2016, 5:14 PM edit delete reply
I've never heard the term "Decker" in this context. What does it mean -- stacking the deck?
Digo Dragon 13th Aug 2016, 7:10 PM edit delete reply
Digo Dragon
Maybe. I don't think it's a Shadowrun reference.
TheDapperChangeling 13th Aug 2016, 11:42 PM edit delete reply
Considering the title of the comic is Shadow Fun?
Yeah, I think it's a reference :P
Digo 14th Aug 2016, 12:38 PM edit delete reply
So how does the GM's and Dash conversation lead into calling Dash a Decker'?
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Malroth 13th Aug 2016, 7:45 PM edit delete reply
Malroth
Decker in a RPG context usually refers to a shadow run character specced for computer vs computer cyberwarfare.
Winged Cat 13th Aug 2016, 9:30 PM edit delete reply
These days it's not necessarily just Shadowrun, but that is where the term originated. I've heard it used generally to refer to cybercombat that's run similar to normal combat - sometimes at the same time (say, part of the party securing physical access to a computer, long enough for the rest of the party to do something with it).
Digo Dragon 15th Aug 2016, 5:29 AM edit delete reply
Digo Dragon
Right, but how does the comic relate to that? I'm not seeing a connection of the conversation itself to Shadowrun. Was the hours long fight in Shadowrun?
Newbiespud 15th Aug 2016, 4:20 PM edit delete reply
Newbiespud
It's an obliquely implied noodle incident.
Sir William 14th Aug 2016, 6:28 AM edit delete reply
For some reason rainbow dash as a runner is hilarious
Haledrake 14th Aug 2016, 9:28 AM edit delete reply
Hey, 5 hour combat encounters can be perfectly fine.

As long as something interesting is always happening.

I can't tell you how many times I've seen bad/novice DMs allow a very filler combat encounter go on so much longer than it needed to.

Pro-DMing-tip: If your encounter has become a tedious mop-up with minor to no stakes whatsoever, just end it. "With the major threats dealt with, the remaining enemies either flee in terror or are slain with relative ease."

Seriously, I don't know why people do it. I know *I* don't have fun keeping track of mooks unless I need to, and your players don't have fun grinding through a bunch of dudes they don't care about who pose no threat. SO JUST STOP!
redwings1340 14th Aug 2016, 11:48 AM edit delete reply
redwings1340
Aww, that's sweet. :)

Seeing other players involved in an rp definitely makes it easier to get in to a campaign yourself.
Chronic Lurker 14th Aug 2016, 5:49 PM edit delete reply
Wishing you happy birthday a day early because chances are I won't be back on the site until around the time of the next update. I don't want to wish you a late happy birthday, so...early it is. Happy birthday, NewbieSpud! May the cake NOT be a lie. Or pie if that is your preference. I like pie... And now I'm rambling. Shutting up now.
j-eagle12212012 15th Aug 2016, 3:28 AM edit delete reply
j-eagle12212012
Happy birthday Spud
Digo Dragon 15th Aug 2016, 5:30 AM edit delete reply
Digo Dragon
Yeah, happy birthday Spud-dude!
Guest 15th Aug 2016, 8:50 AM edit delete reply
I am posting my first ever comment here to say:

Happy Birthday, Spud!
DragonTrainer 15th Aug 2016, 5:55 PM edit delete reply
DragonTrainer
Happy B-Day, Newbiespud.
EEK 15th Aug 2016, 7:16 PM edit delete reply
Happy birthday o'comic man
Blueblade 15th Aug 2016, 9:35 PM edit delete reply
Happy Birthday!...
Even though it technically ended 35 minutes ago at time of posting...
Better late than never I guess. :3