Page 600 - Pride Before the Fall

28th May 2015, 6:00 AM
Pride Before the Fall
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Newbiespud 28th May 2015, 6:00 AM edit delete
Newbiespud
Milestones have come and gone over the lifetime of this comic. They mean a lot to me, but at the end of the week it means I go back to making more as usual, mostly for my own sake and the sake of you guys, my audience.

To be recognized for it, though... That's a little bit new.

Today, I'm heading off to Everfree Northwest, a pony convention up at SeaTac. I'll be doing a panel on Sunday at 2:15 called "Story Time! Ponies and Tabletop Roleplaying." And I'll probably have a bunch of other adventures besides. But overall... going as a Community Guest rather than just another guy? That's more than a little bit interesting.

Since I won't be around this weekend, this week's Fallout is Dragons is going up a bit early.
Session 44 - Trojan Horse: Libsyn YouTube

61 Comments:

Toric 28th May 2015, 6:03 AM edit delete reply
You have to love it when Pinkie Pie is suddenly the pragmatic and calculating one and everypony else is left dumbfounded. Both because she made a wise/cutthroat deduction and because they didn't first.

Congrats on 600, Newbiespud!
Digo 28th May 2015, 6:08 AM edit delete reply
Thinking about it, would have been amusing if Spud put up a joke comic page for 600 that broke the 4th wall for being #600. ^^;
Mykin 28th May 2015, 6:51 AM edit delete reply
Mykin
Always love it when Pinkie throws one out of left field. It gives the impression (and a rather true one in my opinion) that she's always been this smart but doesn't care enough to act like it 100% of the time.

Anyway, congrats on 600 pages, Spud! Now if you will excuse me, I have a plane to catch.
j-eagle12212012 28th May 2015, 9:39 AM edit delete reply
j-eagle12212012
I have to agree, pinkie has been shown to posess the ability to be faster than Rainbow Dash why not have her be smarter than Twilight as well. Congrats on 600 spud
CharginChuck 28th May 2015, 1:26 PM edit delete reply
CharginChuck
So does this mean she's also capable of being stronger than Applejack? Or more adorable than Fluttershy?
Classic Steve 28th May 2015, 3:04 PM edit delete reply
Or more fashionable than Rarity?
T 28th May 2015, 3:56 PM edit delete reply
Stronger than Applejack or more adorable than Fluttershy? Of course! More fashionable than Rarity? We will never know.
j-eagle12212012 28th May 2015, 7:39 PM edit delete reply
j-eagle12212012
Pinkie isssssss more Fashionable than Rarity...Rainbow umbrella hats, Bale of Hay suit, and let's not forget the awsome gear she wore when spying on the ponies in the crystal empire, cleary pinkie knows her fashion ^_^
Toric 28th May 2015, 9:28 PM edit delete reply
Pinkie tasted godhood once. I found it...beneath me.

Adapted from Dr. Doom
Disloyal Subject 29th May 2015, 10:49 AM edit delete reply
Disloyal Subject
Pinkie can surpass specialists if and when it would be funny. No one is safe.
Digo 28th May 2015, 6:05 AM edit delete reply
Non-stop flying for 40 days?! How did they eat or sleep? Or poop? Commander Hurricane was hardcore.

Would make the Pegasi Enclave look like a bunch of babies. ^^;
Toric 28th May 2015, 6:14 AM edit delete reply
Well, sleep is for the weak, the lack of nutrition would prevent the (hilarious) need for midair bathroom breaks, and the pegasi could sustain themselves by drinking rainwater. Or, as a darker suggestion, they survived by cannibalizing the weaker pegasi who fell quicker by catching, draining, and eating them for some fast food solutions. Otherwise, the answer is Epic-Level characters who can do what they want because screw you.
Digo 28th May 2015, 6:26 AM edit delete reply
Haha, yeah like how a high enough level fighter can survive a fall from any height without magical assistance? :D

Hmm, maybe if they had Rings of Sustenance they could go one for years at a time?
Toric 28th May 2015, 7:05 AM edit delete reply
Or monks have metabolic abilities, or mythic levels, or who knows what else. Also possible the story has exaggerated the number of days a little to build the legend.
Digo 28th May 2015, 7:12 AM edit delete reply
That's true. Retelling the story and adding more days to the legend just so it's... 20% cooler.
The MunchKING 28th May 2015, 9:35 PM edit delete reply
The MunchKING
Acrually the damage cap on falling thing is SORT OF supported by real world physics. I mean once you hit your terminal velocity, you're not going to fall any faster or hit the ground any harder, no matter how arbitrarily high you get dropped from.

So if you're tough enough to survive a drop at terminal velocity (10d10 IIRC in 3.5) dropping you from any higher won't make any difference.
Digo 29th May 2015, 5:11 AM edit delete reply
Right, which just goes into the point about how high-level characters can do ridiculous things. :D
you know that guy 29th May 2015, 1:04 PM edit delete reply
Hey man, a high-level character of any kind breaks the rules. If the fact that fighters don't have the "magic" buzzword excuse bothers you, just consider the real world as e6, and suddenly the 20th level fighter has quadruple the hit points of the toughest real-world person ever.
Zeeth 29th May 2015, 8:28 PM edit delete reply
The fall damage cap *used* to be 20d6. So that maxes out at 120 with a median (and thus most-common) score of ~65, while 10d10 maxes at 100 with a median score of ~53. Just like they say, people were tougher in the old days. ;)
T 28th May 2015, 3:58 PM edit delete reply
Eat fruits from trees without stopping. An easy feat for such skilled fliers.
you know that guy 29th May 2015, 4:35 PM edit delete reply
Didn't Fluttershy do that in the vampire episode?
Ishidan 30th May 2015, 8:54 AM edit delete reply
The whole idea is to stick it to the landbound ponies. Gotta drop a load? Just do it! In fact, show off your bombing skills. Extra points for unicorns, since they could defend themselves with levitation shields.
ANW 28th May 2015, 6:10 AM edit delete reply
Only one word can describe the last bit.
*DOING*
And of yesterday's contest:XanatosDrake's moth spider.
Kill it with fire, goes boom.
Here's your reward, a giant moth spider.
Yes, the reward was always going to be the thing you fear.
XanatosDrake 28th May 2015, 9:40 PM edit delete reply
They are both fun and scary. fun for me, scary for my players.
ANW 29th May 2015, 6:28 AM edit delete reply
I forgot you was the DM.
In that case, here's a swarm.
Toric 28th May 2015, 6:18 AM edit delete reply
As far as it goes, this is one of the least destructive ways to play out and eliminate a fascist faction of a newly formed land. The schemer in me kind of wonders if Clover or someone seeing the disruptive pegasi elements didn't put this ultimately suicidal suggestion into Commander Hurricane's head to rid themselves of a rival.
Digo 28th May 2015, 6:28 AM edit delete reply
No no, Smart Cookie! That way the anti-earth pony curse has a better connection. :D
Ace Jackson 28th May 2015, 6:52 AM edit delete reply
Ace Jackson
I'd have to agree, it hadn't affected the unicorns vitality, which suggests this is directed for some reason. Which could be Smart Cookie, the fact the unicorns weren't in the contest, or something else entirely, but we don't have much else to theorize about just now.
Toric 28th May 2015, 7:03 AM edit delete reply
True enough, I just said Clover because the unicorns seemed the most capable and sinister within the episode (comparatively). Honestly, it's likely because unicorns weren't in the contest, but it could also be a particular hate to Earth Ponies. His/her last words before freezing were "Earth Ponies are numbskulls!" so the case could be made.
Digo 28th May 2015, 7:10 AM edit delete reply
I had a fanfic idea where the story takes place concurrently in the past and present. There's a magical anomaly that's subtly disrupting all the unicorns ability to use magic. In the past Smart Cookie tries to investigate, while in the preset, Applejack stumbles upon it.

The anomaly allows the two to communicate to each other at certain times, and thus they're able to trade necessary information to find the anomaly (which exists in both time frames) and get it closed up. Somewhat inspired by Star Trek TNG's finale, All Good Things.
Toric 28th May 2015, 12:36 PM edit delete reply
I have one that goes into just how much of a struggle settling Equestria actually was compared to the Hearth's Warming Eve fable. The years of logistics/relocation, pursuit by wendigoes as the tensions died out only slowly, ill-advised attempts to make things better with harsh ramifications. You know...for kids.
The MunchKING 29th May 2015, 5:26 PM edit delete reply
The MunchKING
It doesn't have to be anti-Earth Pony.

It could be his connection with the Sky was so strong it affected the Earth itself at that point, thus polluting its connection to the Earth Ponies instead.
T 28th May 2015, 4:05 PM edit delete reply
It doesn't need magic. Chancellor Puddinghead or Cookie could just have said something like "pegasus are so fragile, they would never have the power and resilience of an earth pony" and manipulated them into doing the marathon as a bet. This would explain why an competition between a pegasus and an earth pony would trigger such event.
Ace Jackson 28th May 2015, 7:12 AM edit delete reply
Ace Jackson
I find it interesting that AJ's been looking annoyed and agitated before, but now is starting to look a hair nervous.

Outside the possibility that it's just pragmatic since everybody in castle mania looks spooked more often then not. Perhaps she's anticipating something else coming up in the backstory. She did tie her character down hard to the farm for the bonus gold, was mentioned as having provided a lot of content by the gm, and I'd imagine the family tree was tied down to the acres land/Ponyville as well for, as far as could be concerned, forever.

Should be interesting to see how this sub arc pans out. And congratulations on making it to 600, may you have time and energy to keep it going as long as you like!
Jennifer 28th May 2015, 7:19 AM edit delete reply
The backstory here is actually a bit creepy, if only because death doesn't often creep into MLP. Kudos to Spud for making his GM so... um... calculating? Seriously, Spud as the GM really is creating an interesting backstory for Equestria.
FanOfMostEverything 28th May 2015, 7:55 AM edit delete reply
Congratulations on DC comics, Spud.

(lawyers crash through windows)

Wait, it was just a Roman numeral joke!
Philadelphus 28th May 2015, 10:58 AM edit delete reply
Philadelphus
Heh, nice one.
CharginChuck 28th May 2015, 1:28 PM edit delete reply
CharginChuck
600 comics! That's as many as 60 tens. And that's awesome.
Guest 23rd Jun 2015, 12:48 AM edit delete reply
That's brilliant.

Sadly the next such milestone won't come until 1045 comics.
steeeeve 28th May 2015, 8:20 AM edit delete reply
whooo 600!

heres to 400 more and reaching 1000!


without blashplassly selling out like the show did.
Unican not Alicrap.
Toric 28th May 2015, 11:18 AM edit delete reply
Just food for thought, but the Chrysalis sub-arc hinted that Twilight might find some sort of ascension in-game pretty heavily. You may be disappointed...

Also, it doesn't bother me that she became an Alicorn (except for the name itself referring to unicorn horn material). It just bothers me how many questions I still have about the "how."
Digo 28th May 2015, 11:21 AM edit delete reply
Celestia knows Polymorph?
Jarimor 28th May 2015, 11:46 AM edit delete reply
baleful maybe.
Toric 28th May 2015, 12:33 PM edit delete reply
I don't know, it's almost closer to the ability to grant Mythic Ranks. Twilight is still only a low mythic rank and doesn't have much extra power/divinity yet in the show. Or maybe it would manifest as a half-celestial template or similar since they appear to be using 4e rules. Either way, divine intervention is likely. Speaking of, the party lacks a cleric. Is that because Spud doesn't want to tangle with Celestia's sort-of-not-really divinity?
Disloyal Subject 28th May 2015, 1:33 PM edit delete reply
Disloyal Subject
Pretty sure it has more to do with none of the player characters being clerics.
Disloyal Subject 28th May 2015, 1:32 PM edit delete reply
Disloyal Subject
Good to know I'm not the only one bothered by terminology. I've often seen it justified as "wings-horn," but in most Latin-based languages that'd be 'Alacorn...'
Chrysalis 28th May 2015, 1:16 PM edit delete reply
omg, that's so cute, ppl STILL have a problem with Princess Twilight? Even though it was a thing since episode one in season one? That's...so...CUTE! ^_^
Toric 28th May 2015, 9:38 PM edit delete reply
Look, just because someone expressed an opinion/disdain for an element of the show doesn't mean they deserve to be patronized so insultingly. At least have the courtesy to disagree coolly and civilly instead. You could find many fans of juggernauts like Star Trek who are still upset about a turn the show took ages ago. The case could be made that while turning Twilight into a princess opened many fascinating doors, it closed many others.

For my own curiosity, I'd love to know what your referencing in the first episode. I enjoy finding connections or details I've previously missed.
Chrysalis 29th May 2015, 10:05 AM edit delete reply
For what it's worth, I really did think it was cute. *shrug* I'm used to being misunderstood.

At any rate, for me, the writing was on the wall from the very beginning about Twilight. She was an extraordinarily talented individual, with the express attention and care of the sovereign of the land, whom was also taking the time to send Twilight on errands to learn more about the world and herself. I've read too many stories like this to not put two and two together about her potential growth. Also, for funsies, go back to those first episodes and look for the part where Nightmare Moon actually says she's kidnapped Celestia. Once you realize she never did, leads to even more connections, like where Celestia really was the whole time. ;p
Disloyal Subject 29th May 2015, 10:52 AM edit delete reply
Disloyal Subject
...what makes you say NMM never kidnapped Celestia? She only showed up -after- the Elements of Harmony set everything right and released her from the sun.
Chrysalis 30th May 2015, 7:31 PM edit delete reply
Disloyal Subject-There's just as much evidence to suggest that Celestia wasn't kidnapped too. Yes, she only showed up after NMM was defeated, this is irrefutable, or rather, maybe she only showed HERSELF after the fact. After all, riddle me this, who wrote the prophecy of NMM's return? There's only one pony in all of equestria that'd know when NMM could return. After all, I don't think she wanted to banish her sister for all eternity, just long enough to give her some time to figure out a counter solution to the Nightmare Force empowering Luna. After the battle though, Celestia lost her connection to the elements, due to the disharmony now existing between her and Luna, so she couldn't do it herself. She needed to find a new host for the elements, someone that could spark the hidden element of magic, and what better place to do that than a school for gifted magic users? After all, it's also established that she did take on protegees from time to time, and we know at least two of them "stumbled" across books containing info about the elements of harmony in their studies. Kinda coincidental that some of the books Twilight was reading were all about the elements of harmony, and certain prophecies about the elements usage, don'tcha think? Celestia groomed Twilight to be the element of magic from the beginning, seeing in her the potential harness it. So when she sent Twilight to Ponyville, she also exitted stage right to see if her plan would bear fruit. She knew she'd trained Twilight well enough to be able to handle the situation, and sent her to accomplish what she herself could no longer do, save Luna. So then, you may be wondering, where was Celestia in all this? In the background more than likely, watching over Twilight and Co, but never interfering, for doing so would ruin the chances of Twilight finding the elements, since she'd just go right to Celestia and expect her to fight off NMM. From here, we know the story, Twilight and Co go off into the everfree, find the elements, the others bond with Twilight, Twilight finds the missing element inside her all along, and one rainbow laser show later, Luna's freed from the nightmare forces, and in pops Celestia during the opportune moment to congratulate them.

Guest-I never said Twilight was the best, I just said it was obvious she was being groomed for something far greater than she'd already achieved, and when she became an Alicorn, I was just like, "Yep, that's what they were up to."
She...actually did reveal that she wanted to make nighttime eternal...she did that a thousand years ago, and then again when she came back and shrieked it at everyone, complete with lightnight strike emphasis. ;p
Disloyal Subject 4th Jun 2015, 11:19 AM edit delete reply
Disloyal Subject
I don't disagree that Celestia arranged things to play out as they did, but I still think NMM dealt with her before making her appearance in Ponyville. If you were a being of godlike power driven insane by jealousy, wouldn't you start your reign by going after the target of your jealousy?
Guest 29th May 2015, 6:38 PM edit delete reply
You're making quite a leap to say that Twilight was the best, therefore it was obvious that she would become a god. Twilight was clearly being groomed for a leadership role, but the possibility of a full-body transformation was never hinted at until the episode where it happened.

Nightmare Moon did not reveal any aspect of her plan except that the night would last forever. That does not mean that Celestia was complicit in the plan.
Raxon 28th May 2015, 12:16 PM edit delete reply
Raxon
Ohh, hearths warming eve. Yay!
Specter 28th May 2015, 12:18 PM edit delete reply
Specter
Yay for Newbiespud.

On less concerning topics, there must have been pegasi that lasted longer then Hurricane, cause; A) From what I know, all pegasi were under his rule, and there are still pegasi around now, B) Somepony must have buried him, and likely other pegasi did it, cause I doubt any of the others would have been told to bury him where he fell, and C) let's face it, there wasn't a single nation where the leader was the most physically fit/ most endurable person.
Winged Cat 28th May 2015, 12:36 PM edit delete reply
Sure there were. Just, none among his most loyal soldiers. More fit or not, the other pegasi lasted longer by not committing suicide.
Boris Carlot 29th May 2015, 2:37 AM edit delete reply
Yeah, he didn't take ALL of the pegasi, or even all of the pegasi soldiers. Maybe just him and a dozen comrades, fellow old campaigners who accepted the unity of the tribes on pragmatic grounds but always considered it beneath them. He was getting old, they were getting old and dying in bed with something still to prove didn't appeal to them. This is also why thirteen is an unlucky number in Equestria.

That's how I'd play it, anyway. Not my campaign, not my comic, just my interpretation.
Specter 30th May 2015, 12:44 AM edit delete reply
Specter
Sorry my thought process wasn't... smart? I pretty much have one of those "all or nothing" minds.

... I'm not good at the city/people level in mass.
Boris Carlot 30th May 2015, 1:00 AM edit delete reply
We all make mistakes. no big deal.
Disloyal Subject 28th May 2015, 1:34 PM edit delete reply
Disloyal Subject
Congratulations, Spud, and thanks for making the comic. Enjoy the con!
Lans 10th Oct 2015, 9:32 AM edit delete reply
So...Hurricane, in a fit of Pegasai racism, decided to fly around until he and everyone with him dropped dead? ...Yeah, that sounds like something the version of Hurricane we saw in the Heartswarming Eve play would do. Now if only we could get something like that to happen with some hate groups in real life...