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13th Apr 2013, 6:00 AM
Big Small Talk
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Newbiespud 13th Apr 2013, 6:00 AM edit delete
Newbiespud
What's this? We're still hanging about in Bird in the Hoof? Let's see where this goes...

94 Comments:

Walabio 13th Apr 2013, 6:05 AM edit delete reply
¡Twilight Sparkle certainly went from wanting to tell the Princess the truth about Rarity to extreme bashfulness very fast! ;-)
Raxon 13th Apr 2013, 6:10 AM edit delete reply
Raxon
I suspect Twilight learned her lesson about scolding her royal matron.
Digo 13th Apr 2013, 8:29 AM edit delete reply
WHAT?! PCs learning their lesson? NEVER! :D
Kynrasian 13th Apr 2013, 7:26 PM edit delete reply
Kynrasian
To be fair, PCs do learn. I've seen it myself.
Notachangeling 13th Apr 2013, 12:47 PM edit delete reply
I think its more of a overreaching lesson:
dont mess with the powerful ones too much.
Malroth 13th Apr 2013, 2:20 PM edit delete reply
Of course wither or not twilight actually knows in character that Rarity is an evil rogue is a legitimate concern. Rarity has never stolen anything around Twilight's character and never mentioned her social ambitions In character so for all Twilight sparkle Should know Rarity is merely evasive and secretive by nature.
Kirby 13th Apr 2013, 2:51 PM edit delete reply
You should go back and re-read the first arc, Rarity does bring it up when they first meet.
LoganAura 13th Apr 2013, 6:10 AM edit delete reply
LoganAura
...
Oh Newbie, if you're doing what I think you're doing...
CharginChuck 13th Apr 2013, 6:26 AM edit delete reply
CharginChuck
Which would be what exactly?
LoganAura 13th Apr 2013, 6:55 AM edit delete reply
LoganAura
Multitasking.
Digo 13th Apr 2013, 8:29 AM edit delete reply
I think I see where you're going with that thought. Could be awesome!
LoganAura 13th Apr 2013, 9:04 AM edit delete reply
LoganAura
Oh definitely.
Right now, we know what Rarity might be doing.
Buuuuut...
What would the others do?
Digo 13th Apr 2013, 3:09 PM edit delete reply
What do they do? Hang on tightly for the ride.
Rokas 13th Apr 2013, 6:41 AM edit delete reply
3rd panel. Twilight being adorable. Supreme Victory.
Guest 13th Apr 2013, 6:44 AM edit delete reply
I'm starting to get confused. When was the "scolding"? Something in the show or someting in these derivations? An episode or comic number would be appreciated.
Thank you.
Seturis 13th Apr 2013, 6:58 AM edit delete reply
Twilight's player sent an extra letter during the pilot in this comic, pretty much stating that Celestia had to stop being so mysterious and railroad-y and tell Twi what was up with NMM.

Safe to say, it's put a bit of strain on their relationship.
Endark Culi 13th Apr 2013, 6:58 AM edit delete reply
In comic #33, "Informal Complaint", Twilight sends an angry letter to Celestia believing that she's hiding important information from her and demanding answers from her. Does that help?
Guest 13th Apr 2013, 10:13 AM edit delete reply
Yes, thank you!
Philadelphus 13th Apr 2013, 1:08 PM edit delete reply
Philadelphus
Indeed, that was helpful for me as well. I'd forgotten about that particular incident.
Seturis 13th Apr 2013, 6:55 AM edit delete reply
They way the DM plays Celestia puts me on edge, I've been in Twilight's position many times as a player. Totally at the mercy of an important but close NPC and never being able to tell what exactly their deal was.
DaughterofBastet 13th Apr 2013, 8:32 AM edit delete reply
Story time! Post a story about a time you had to keep a big secret from your NPC boss/king/lord (especially if it eventually got out, or if it involved another player).
Azureink 13th Apr 2013, 9:21 AM edit delete reply
Azureink
So what was the roll on the Insight check? We cut away from it after it was called, but no numbers had been given.
LoganAura 13th Apr 2013, 10:23 AM edit delete reply
LoganAura
Too low.
Seanpony Renaud 13th Apr 2013, 10:11 AM edit delete reply
When did Twilight scold Celestia? I totally don't remember that.
Aegis Steadfast 13th Apr 2013, 12:45 PM edit delete reply
Aegis Steadfast
Read the comments above, it's page 33.
Jristz 13th Apr 2013, 11:18 AM edit delete reply
I can't believe that nopony ask Why is Princess and not Queen
Guest 13th Apr 2013, 11:58 AM edit delete reply
Because it's information about a very important NPC with a lot of dialogue, so the players don't care.
Aerion 13th Apr 2013, 1:24 PM edit delete reply
Actually, probably more for the reasons the Nostalgic Critic brought up regarding the Disney Princesses: A princess is cute and 'pure of heart', a queen is evil.
At the very least, if someone gets the title 'queen' they'll be expected to 'make tough choices', which isn't needed for a princess.
DoubleCross 13th Apr 2013, 4:44 PM edit delete reply
A queen is a woman with major political, social and executive influence, and can potentially hold all of the political, social and executive power should her husband die. A princess, meanwhile, is a child who is kept in line by her elders and is married off to a princess of a different family so that the king can forge political connections through blood.

You don't want to encourage the little girls to believe they can have real power, do you?
NR 13th Apr 2013, 5:25 PM edit delete reply
So... Princesses are also all lesbians?
Gear 13th Apr 2013, 5:36 PM edit delete reply
The best kind of princess's
DoubleCross 13th Apr 2013, 5:40 PM edit delete reply
This is what happens when I write the word 'princess' several times. I forget the word 'prince' must exist as a counterpart.

The basic idea is that they tend to get wed off for reasons they're not in control of.
guy 7th May 2014, 9:30 PM edit delete reply
I have no understanding of how you came to this conclusion, but I shall run with it anyway.
Kiranis 14th Apr 2013, 7:16 PM edit delete reply
We don't know if Celestia is a real princess or a queen with the princess title.

Alicorns are basically gods her mother could be

An Alicorn same as her with the power over Equestria the same way Celestia moves the sun and Luna moves the moon it's her "planet" I figure with twilight being a princess now we might be getting answers soon. Alot of fanfics have named her Geia after the goddess of the same name or Titania even though that name is supposed to belong to the "fairy Queen" it's still la awesome name.

Something like Q from Startrek not really "there" beyond normal perception which would largely explain her absence.

Imprisoned/Corrupted A nightmare that would be interesting especially if they reuse the whole nightmare thing from S1 and stop messing around.

The Sun. Celestia: My moms soooo fat she has her own orbit.
Guest 17th Apr 2013, 11:53 AM edit delete reply
I believe Lauren Faust has said that Celestia and Luna don't have parents ranked above them.
Suburbanbanshee 15th Apr 2013, 6:08 PM edit delete reply
Actually, a "cwen" is a female adult human.

Celestia isn't a human.

A princess, OTOH, is the feminine of "princeps": foremost one, first one, first among equals.

DaughterofBastet 16th Apr 2013, 4:24 PM edit delete reply
Or a princess can be the wife of the ruler in a principality. Mustn't forget that.
Guest 17th Apr 2013, 12:00 PM edit delete reply
In any case that's pretty clearly not how the title works in Equestria as Celestia does wield the real power, if anything it seems like it's princes who have little actual authority there.
Froborr 13th Apr 2013, 10:08 PM edit delete reply
No "probably" about it. Faust has said she wanted Celestia and Luna to be queens, and Hasbro said no because "little girls expect queens to be villains."
Aerion 14th Apr 2013, 2:01 AM edit delete reply
Ah, that was this show, right.
I remember Hasbro saying it about SOMETHING, but forgot it was MLP (NC mentioned a bunch of movies and shows, it got a bit mixed up after a while)
The MunchKING 14th Apr 2013, 4:52 AM edit delete reply
The MunchKING
That works for the show, but in the context of the game?
Tatsurou 14th Apr 2013, 12:30 PM edit delete reply
Maybe, in the context of the game, her father (the king) has been...absent for an extremely long time, but was never formally stripped of his power and authority. As such, since there was still an official King, she could not take the title of Queen.

And thus we have the in game origin story for King Discord.
Anvildude 15th Apr 2013, 10:24 AM edit delete reply
Nah. King Sombra.
Vegetalss4 14th Apr 2013, 12:52 PM edit delete reply
In the context of the game/show there's a very easy answer.
Equestria is a principality.

You see while a Princess/Prince can be merely the daugther/son of a King and Queen, the title originally referenced to the ruler/their wife* of a type sovereign state.
Namely a principality, which was very common before kingdoms and remained so in southern and eastern Europa throughout most of the Middle Ages/Renaissance.

The word came to refer to the children of Kings/queens due to a custom where a king would grant his sons a principality within the kingdom to rule as training for the day he would become King.

The princesses being immortal could then keep the titles out of tradition or enough personal prestige for such a tradition to not appear in the universe of FIM.

*medieval Europa being ruled almost exclusively by men.
Chakat Firepaw 15th Apr 2013, 12:21 AM edit delete reply
One thing I suggested a while back is that Equestria is more like the Holy Roman Empire than England or France, with Celestia holding the position of Equestrian Empress, (a role she now shares with her sister). She uses her title as the ruler of the Principality of Everfree for understandable personal reasons stemming from its near-destruction a thousand years ago[1].

The utility of such a setup for stories/gaming should be obvious. It also gives a good reason for Blueblood: The royal family of the Principality of Canterlot has been largely sidelined since the imperial capital was moved there. Some make a point of doing other tings in the service of Equestria or Canterlot, others... don't.


[1] While most of it is covered by the wild forest that bears its name, there are still slivers of inhabited territory along the fringes. The most notable including a town by the name of Ponyville.
Strator 27th Apr 2013, 6:15 PM edit delete reply
Funny the assumption goes the other way in RPG's. The princess is usually schemeing, and the Queen's most often dead.
Seanpony Renaud 14th Apr 2013, 9:06 AM edit delete reply
It's true enough amongst fairy tales in general and Disney cartoons in particular. Shit the only good mother is a dead mother if you take a second and look through the vast majority of stories. Also 90% of dads are stupid and bumbling.
TryingSomething 13th Apr 2013, 4:54 PM edit delete reply
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Anymouse 13th Apr 2013, 11:02 PM edit delete reply
Just cut the par ending in .jpeg and paste it in your browser

eg,

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TryingSomething 14th Apr 2013, 5:32 AM edit delete reply
Oh! I didn't know about that. Thank you, Anymouse.
Grey Pen 15th Apr 2013, 4:43 AM edit delete reply
You call them "Beast masters". I call them "GM".
TryingSomething 13th Apr 2013, 4:56 PM edit delete reply
Sorry for above. They don't actually let you see the results on the page(they just give you the code to past it into your signature-sneaky little devils), and this is the only place I know where I can do bbcode without setting up an account.
Raxon 13th Apr 2013, 6:06 PM edit delete reply
Raxon
I'm not sure I understand the reason behind this. Wait. are you saying that Rarity will multiclass into beastmaster?

Will she have a pair of adorable ferrets follow her around now?
kriss1989 13th Apr 2013, 10:54 PM edit delete reply
kriss1989
Well what do you think Opal is for?
Digo 15th Apr 2013, 3:57 AM edit delete reply
A paperweight with a puree setting?
TryingSomething 13th Apr 2013, 6:35 PM edit delete reply
No, I just wanted to find out what the results of the test were. That said, I love ferrets and that would be adorable.
Raxon 13th Apr 2013, 6:49 PM edit delete reply
Raxon
BeastMaster This is what I was alluding to. I love that show.

Do not misunderestimate my ability to find some meaning in your messages. I will find something, and it will be entertaining.

I'M FUNNY! LAUGH, DAMN YE!
Jannard 13th Apr 2013, 7:03 PM edit delete reply
OR you will randombly find or remember something funny and look for a way, however convoluted it might be, to insert a link to it into a somewhat relevant post. Either way the result usually amuses both ponies and peeps alike.
Raxon 13th Apr 2013, 9:09 PM edit delete reply
Raxon
That wasn't convoluted! TS posted a BeastMaster banner! It was totally directly relevant!

Also, hippie savage Rarity sounds hilarious. I picture her dressed as a fabulous female ponified version of Conan the barbarian.

Soooo... Basically princess Candy. No, I'm not going to link to it. No. N-O. Stop asking me. I absolutely refuse.

Well, fine, if it'll make you happy, here.

No, I don't have a youtube video for it! Shut up already!
Artsy 13th Apr 2013, 7:50 PM edit delete reply
I laughed.
Billy 13th Apr 2013, 8:34 PM edit delete reply
I like the cut of your jib, Jannard.
Limey Lassen 13th Apr 2013, 11:23 PM edit delete reply
Limey Lassen
God that face..
TheCanadianKng 14th Apr 2013, 3:25 AM edit delete reply
50 points says that Celestia is the guild-master, and that this is how the Equestrian economy is really run
NoahTopHatz 14th Apr 2013, 6:08 AM edit delete reply
NoahTopHatz
the Equestrian economy is a more subtle version of Ankh-Morpork?
FanOfMostEverything 14th Apr 2013, 6:22 AM edit delete reply
Maybe. We'll see if Celestia says, "Don't let me detain you."
Lyntermas 14th Apr 2013, 7:33 AM edit delete reply
Lyntermas
Celestia as the Patrician would make me laugh. Also, Twilight as Rincewind, Rarity as the Elf Queen, Applejack as Sam Vimes, Pinkie Pie as Ridcully, Granny Smith as Nanny Ogg, Rainbow Dash as Sergeant Angua, Big Mac as Carrot, and Spike as Nobby.

That was surprisingly quick to type.
Zarhon 14th Apr 2013, 9:33 AM edit delete reply
Zarhon
And Ms. Cake as Ms. Cake, of course! Also, Cranky Doodle Donkey as Cohen the Barbarian (with Matilda as Bethan), Flim/Flam as Cut-Me-Own-Throat-Dibbler.

And I'm fairly certain that Vimes and his wife Sybil would be Shining Armor and Princess Cadence, respectively, with AJ's honesty fitting her more for the role of Carrot (lack of tallness aside). Rainbow Dash would, of course, be Hrun the Barbarian.

Hmm, is it just my imagination, or did I get you hooked onto the Discworld series, Lynt? :p
Lyntermas 14th Apr 2013, 4:48 PM edit delete reply
Lyntermas
Oh, I was already hooked before our campaign made the knowledge...relevant.
Tatsurou 14th Apr 2013, 12:35 PM edit delete reply
One question.
If Celestia is Vetinari, who is Luna?
Raxon 14th Apr 2013, 12:44 PM edit delete reply
Raxon
Mr. Nutt, maybe? Death?

Death seems like a good match. Agreeable fellow, though quite intimidating. Luna isn't mean, she's just very intimidating. She has quite a presence.
Tatsurou 14th Apr 2013, 3:43 PM edit delete reply
Or, alternatively, Leonard of Quirm. THat's the real reason she was sealed in the moon, to protect her from those who would misuse her genius.
Raxon 14th Apr 2013, 6:30 PM edit delete reply
Raxon
I'm gonna come clean right now. I own exactly one discworld book. Reaper Man. Death is one of the great lovers.
Broken Logic 14th Apr 2013, 8:11 PM edit delete reply
Maaaan, Reaper Man is literally the only novel in the series I haven't read, and I've read the others at least twice already. I NEED IT. Snips and Snails for Nobby and Colon? While we're at it, Trixie as Rincewind?
Lyntermas 14th Apr 2013, 8:15 PM edit delete reply
Lyntermas
Trixie's a bit too vain for Rincewind. Rincewind has honed cowardice to an art form.

Now HERE'S a challenge: who would be good as Granny Weatherwax?
Broken Logic 14th Apr 2013, 8:40 PM edit delete reply
When you put it that way, it makes me think Fluttershy, but she ain't a wizzard. Nopony frowns near enough to be Granny Weatherwax, though.
Aerion 15th Apr 2013, 5:52 AM edit delete reply
Rincewind isn't a Wizard either.
He's a 'Wizzard', two Zs, it says so on his hat.
And you won't see him casting many spells, but then that's true of many Discworld spellcasters - Magic is expensive, you don't want to use it.
kriss1989 14th Apr 2013, 6:58 PM edit delete reply
kriss1989
Ankh-Morpork has an economy?
Lyntermas 14th Apr 2013, 7:17 PM edit delete reply
Lyntermas
Death is a great guy. A bit socially "out of it", but sweet in his own way. Luna would be a good fit.
Zarhon 14th Apr 2013, 9:32 PM edit delete reply
Zarhon
In regards to Granny Weatherwax, we have either:

1) BonBon (frowning a lot)
2) Ms. Harshwhinny (also frowning a lot, and has "power" so to speak)
2) Zecora (would certainly fit as a "witch", sassy and smart, capable mentor)
3) Luna (intimidating, powerful)

There's also Berry Punch as Nanny Ogg (drunk tendencies) or the "Oh God of Hangovers", Bilious, or the God of Wine, Bibulous.

A good Vetinari could be Fancy-pants (minus the immoral attitude, but otherwise fitting personality-wise) or Ms. Harshwhinny (judgmental attitude, always frowning).

The "tourist background pony", or miss Peachbottom, would be Twoflower.

Derpy Whooves would be "Bloody Stupid Johnson", or simply Moist.

Hmm, actually, Spike would make a good "Moist" (and Rarity would make a good "Adora Belle Dearheart").
Raxon 14th Apr 2013, 10:12 PM edit delete reply
Raxon
Agreed, Lynt. I two favorite characters so far. Death, and Ms. Cake...

And the mayflies. Oh, how I love the mayflies!

Death is a kind person, he's not cold, as most depictions portray him. He's fairly... conciliatory, and very gentle.I always picture him with a Boris Karloff voice. Haunting, but not really unpleasant.
kriss1989 15th Apr 2013, 7:51 AM edit delete reply
kriss1989
If you love Death, read Hogfather and The Reaper Man, the two best stories he's ever been in.
Raxon 15th Apr 2013, 8:05 AM edit delete reply
Raxon
I have Reaper Man. I love it. The mayflies are hilarious.
NeutralDemon 14th Apr 2013, 8:59 PM edit delete reply
Look at yourselves arguing about missions and why you are being sent to do them.
In pathfinder there is a very good reason why you're doing what you're doing.
The Society
also pathfinder has a ton more races and classes

Also how would a cleric work for the MLP game ... "I worship princess luna"
Educated Guess 14th Apr 2013, 10:40 PM edit delete reply
Sure, why not? In the normal D&D universe, gods are beings that exist physically - that you can speak to. Faith is less belief, and more... well, faith. Confidence in the righteousness and supremacy of your god that actually exists over all of the other gods that actually exist.

Same thing in Equestria. When God is a being you can take a train and visit, it's pretty easy to worship them.

Of course, once the pantheon starts quintupling in size, things get... difficult.
NeutralDemon 15th Apr 2013, 11:03 AM edit delete reply
Never mind the clerics I'm not good with em.
I'll be a magus or a summoner or an alchemist. Oh, pony alchemist that could be interesting
Lossy_Bear 15th Apr 2013, 10:55 PM edit delete reply
Lossy_Bear
I play an earth pony alchemist... she is awesome!
CJT 16th Apr 2013, 5:35 AM edit delete reply
I'm reminded of the "Real Men, Real Roleplayers, Loonies, and Munchkins" file. Under "favourite deity", "Loonies" had "...Worship Elminster. Personally."

"Ask Aquilinus" also pointed out some of the political consequences of the princesses being objects of worship: askaquilinus.tumblr.com/post/21652569710

That said, that particular tumblr left no ambiguity as to what they really were. When an accident like this happens, and your boss shows up with flaming eyes and hair to do this... yeah.
Raxon 15th Apr 2013, 1:03 AM edit delete reply
Raxon
You can worship the great and powerful Arengee. Arengee decides the fate of all things. He chooses who lives, who dies, who gets some tail at the bar tonight, and who has to settle for bits of mane clippings instead.
Walabio 15th Apr 2013, 1:24 AM edit delete reply
¡The featured article on WikiPedia is about the Sumatran BiCorn!

http://wikipedia.org/wiki/Dicerorhinus_sumatrensis

¡A BiCorn is twice as powerful as an UniCorn because it has twice the horns! ¡That means that they are half as powerful as an AliCorn!
kriss1989 15th Apr 2013, 7:55 AM edit delete reply
kriss1989
Wait, you just found out about bicorns? The evil opposites of unicorns? I knew about them even before MLP! While a unicorn represents virtue, purity, and good a bicorn represents malice, lust, and evil. Also, their twin horns curl like those of a goat, and their coats are black a midnight.
Akouma 28th Apr 2013, 10:36 PM edit delete reply
Akouma
Something about the screenshot in the last panel is really, really funny to me. Probably just the look on Twi's face.
TechUnadept 9th Jul 2013, 12:01 AM edit delete reply
this bothers me; Isn't "ponyville" likie naming an IRL town "Humanville?"
The 11th Doctor 11th Jul 2013, 10:21 AM edit delete reply
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The 11th Doctor 11th Jul 2013, 10:22 AM edit delete reply
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