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Crunching the Numbers
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Newbiespud 6th Oct 2011, 6:00 AM edit delete
Newbiespud
To the person who pointed out the flaws in Fluttershy's ability scores... HA! That was intentional!

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To the people who pointed out the flaws in Applejack's ability scores... Yeah, that was a mistake. It's technically already fixed, but I need to update the character card.

53 Comments:

Masterweaver 6th Oct 2011, 6:48 AM edit delete reply
Poor poor Flutterplayer. Shhh, just role play and roll the dice when the nice DM tells you, it'll be alright.
Kd7sov 6th Oct 2011, 7:24 AM edit delete reply
...Apparently she hasn't quite grasped the difference between OOC and IC <i>information</i>, as opposed to knowledge. Or at least, translating information into in-character terminology.

Also, the difference between stuff it's useful to tell the other characters when introducing yourself, and stuff it isn't.

Poor girl.
Kd7sov 6th Oct 2011, 7:24 AM edit delete reply
...huh, apparently HTML doesn't work for italics. Anypony happen to know what does?
Deckard Canine 6th Oct 2011, 7:41 AM edit delete reply
Let's try it with square brackets.
ptmc 6th Oct 2011, 12:07 PM edit delete reply
ptmc
so apparently BBcode works in the comments
Josh Spicer 6th Oct 2011, 7:28 AM edit delete reply
Poooor Fluttershy. New to the game but still shy.
Kanister 6th Oct 2011, 9:04 AM edit delete reply
So she's Good or Lawful Good? I'll assume she was just nervous and made a mistake while talking about it. Can Druids be LG in 4e anyway?
Glenn 6th Oct 2011, 9:34 AM edit delete reply
According to the cast page, Fluttershy is Good, not Lawful Good.
Kanister 6th Oct 2011, 10:01 AM edit delete reply
I know, that's why I asked that question.
Newbiespud 6th Oct 2011, 12:42 PM edit delete reply
Newbiespud
Whoops! Looks like I have more corrections to make. I'll get the comic fixed pronto.

EDIT: Fixed!
Azureink 6th Oct 2011, 10:23 AM edit delete reply
Azureink
Technically, 4e did away with alignment restrictions. As such, you can play as any alignment with any race/class combination. Paladins can be Unaligned and Blackguard can be Lawful Good, for instance.
Thud 6th Oct 2011, 10:24 AM edit delete reply
There are no alignment restrictions in 4e.

You can play a chaotic evil paladin, or a lawful good warlock.
Glenn 6th Oct 2011, 11:00 AM edit delete reply
When I saw on the cast page that at least one of the players had a character who belonged to every one of the 5 different 4e alignments, I wondered if 5 of the elements might be alignment based. So instead of Rainbow Dash getting the Element of Harmony focused on Loyalty, she might get one of the "Elements of Power", perhaps the Element of Treachery, while Rarity got the Element of Greed. If the Elements were created through the combined efforts of the Good God Celestia and the Evil God Nightmare Moon, as part of a plan to defeat their common enemy, Discord, then needing both Good and Evil characters to active the Elements would make sense. If this was the direction the DM had in mind, the reconciliation between Celestia and Nightmare Moon at the end of the party's first adventure would happen because both Celestia and Luna knew that Discord is coming back.
TheDoomBug 6th Oct 2011, 12:46 PM edit delete reply
Just because Rainbow is fight-focused doesn't mean she can't be loyal and Rarity can still skirt the line between greed and generosity as an evil-aligned rogue.
Nuker1110 6th Oct 2011, 6:03 PM edit delete reply
She also might not be as stingy spending money that wasn't hers to begin with...
Azureink 6th Oct 2011, 1:56 PM edit delete reply
Azureink
The Elements of Harmony were not created, but discovered, by Celestia and Luna. As such the creator of the Elements is still unknown.

The one who turned Luna into Nightmare Moon is still also currently unknown.

Hopefully Lauren Faust will show us at some point the answers to these two questions.
reynard61 6th Oct 2011, 9:37 PM edit delete reply
reynard61
Doubtful. She stepped down from the day-to-day control of MLP:FiM a few months ago. She'll be a consultant to the show, but she won't have any direct control of writing, character development, etc.
DB 8th Oct 2011, 10:49 AM edit delete reply
Keep in mind that before she bowed out, Ms. Faust worked with the second-season scripts. Supervising Director Jayson Thiessen has pointed out repeatedly that second season still is her show; it won’t be until third season that her contribution will wane.
DB 8th Oct 2011, 10:49 AM edit delete reply
Keep in mind that before she bowed out, Ms. Faust worked with the second-season scripts. Supervising Director Jayson Thiessen has pointed out repeatedly that second season still is her show; it won’t be until third season that her contribution will wane.
Ellisthion 7th Oct 2011, 4:45 PM edit delete reply
Remember that the comic doesn't have to follow the show's storyline or established canon...
DB 8th Oct 2011, 10:53 AM edit delete reply
My speculation as to the source of Luna’s corruption: Discord. A plot to drive a wedge between the sisters that didn’t come to fruition quickly enough to save him from statuehood, perhaps?
Alex Warlorn 7th Oct 2011, 11:15 AM edit delete reply
This is why I MUCH MUCH more prefer the much more rounded traditional alignment system.
ShikomeKidoMi 8th Oct 2011, 11:22 AM edit delete reply
Elements of Power?
Have you been hanging around SpaceBattles?
Kiana 6th Oct 2011, 2:42 PM edit delete reply
Actually, there are still alignment restrictions... for PARAGON PATHS. And the ones restricted as such are pretty rare.

The base classes, however, are open to anyone. Apparently someone finally got the memo about potential Paladins of Tiamat or something. Personally, I like it. Feels more free... Even though most paladins I hear about still go Lawful Good. At least it's a choice.

Though, also personally, I just think the 4e alignment system is a step towards getting rid of the alignment system entirely. Which I view as a good thing. Reducing the number of alignments to five offers more freedom within those alignments and provides a good stepping stone for traditionalists to ease into a no-alignment system, while the 4e system (and earlier systems, I admit) still have their own merits.

Wow. That turned into a ramble.
ShikomeKidoMi 8th Oct 2011, 11:27 AM edit delete reply
Wow, that's a rant I haven't heard very often. And completely disagree with.
The lack of "lawful evil" really stings, I miss Chaotic Good, but mostly I find the way they're arranged to imply Lawful Good is extra good and Chaotic evil is extra evil quite annoying. At least the old one didn't say have that kind of implied moral judgement about types of good.
And getting rid of the alignment system takes away one of the things that makes D and D itself. The idea of effects that discriminate based on the spiritual qualities of the target is one with a long and effective history in fantasy.
And it provides less of a stepping stone for traditionalists to abandon the alignment system than a stepping stone for them to go play Pathfinder.
Shining 6th Oct 2011, 9:10 AM edit delete reply
Okay okay, you got me. So please stop laughing at my face. Seriously.
Newbiespud 6th Oct 2011, 2:39 PM edit delete reply
Newbiespud
Ah, it's all in good fun.
Azureink 6th Oct 2011, 10:29 AM edit delete reply
Azureink
I was the one who pointed out Applejack's ability scores, but then a fellow peer reminded me that you can still get her ability scores if you do not min/max.

I did not mention Fluttershy's ability scores because they were spread out/min-maxed as best as she could, for a mostly roleplaying character. I have seen much worse in the way of ability score spreads for combat characters. But for someone who won't be maximizing for combat, her spread works. Just make sure to get powers that don't need you to roll dice to hit, or get a good implement and array of feats to make up for the lack of a primary ability for attack rolls.
Kiana 6th Oct 2011, 2:51 PM edit delete reply
Indeed, it looks like she built her stats on her character concept, not the concept to justify the stats. Definite roleplayer, though inexperienced. And stumbling adorably over the concept.

I like the approach of coming up with a concept first, then imagining how it works mechanically. Though I have two rules I follow when making a character: No stat below 10 (phobia of negative modifiers, you might say) and no overt min-maxing. The character is to be good at what they do, not a demi-god birthed from game mechanics.

Though it usually only translates to willingly giving up a +1 or two so I'm merely good, not great. I had a 'monk lite' Brawler fighter who fought with two spiked gauntlets (refluffed, but mechanically the same) even though that meant a die size or two below what I would've got on my main weapon.

I'm explaining this so I can make it clear exactly why Fluttershy is endearing to me in this comic. And why it's unfair I can't reach through my screen to hug her.
PikalaxALT 6th Oct 2011, 7:24 PM edit delete reply
It's true, she said so herself in season 2: "I am weak and helpless, and I appreciate their understanding."
Errant 7th Oct 2011, 11:08 AM edit delete reply
and then again she has enough in her Intimidate to back up her "Stare" if that's used in the comic. Though I'm pretty sure the same effect could be gained with natural 20s.
Bladeron 7th Oct 2011, 5:28 AM edit delete reply
Wisdom was the key ability for Druids in 3.0e and 3.5e, too. Ah, how I miss that game...
AstroTrain 7th Oct 2011, 6:00 AM edit delete reply
I don't really like how the 4e alignment system gets rid of chaotic neutral and lawful neutral. Those are the alignments I like to play most, but my fellow players often call me out on it when I try to roleplay according to those.
Azureink 7th Oct 2011, 8:48 PM edit delete reply
Azureink
With the new Unaligned alignment, you can play both Lawful and Chaotic Neutral at the same time!
EpicAlphonse 7th Oct 2011, 2:47 PM edit delete reply
What I genuinely find endearing is that Fluttershy's player is that genuinely shy person trying to get into a social activity...and getting flustered when finally called on to participate in the plot.

If anything, s/he's so flustered that the character background was forgotten and all the poor player could think of immediately was to rattle off Fluttershy's stats.

And I find myself wanting to pat the poor player on the back and tell him/her to take a deep breath and relax; it's just a game.
banjo2E 7th Oct 2011, 10:10 PM edit delete reply
Yeah, Fluttershy's definitely going based on character concept. I'm willing to bet she's got some ability or other that buffs her Intimidate to absurd levels.

Not to mention, her Charisma's so high anyway that noncombat NPC interactions are going to be so freaking easy.

Besides, screw minmaxing.
banjo2E 7th Oct 2011, 10:13 PM edit delete reply
...Hey, wait.

Why's Pinkie's intimidate higher than Fluttershy's?
Azureink 7th Oct 2011, 11:42 PM edit delete reply
Azureink
FOR-EVERRRRR!
Trey 8th Oct 2011, 2:15 AM edit delete reply
Don't forget the sick stare-down she gave Applejack, causing her to sweat bullets.

Also the interrogation scene with Spike, she seems like a dab hand at this! ^^;
noname 8th Oct 2011, 4:56 AM edit delete reply
May be, 'cos Pinkie has more points spent on Charisma? Srsly, Pinkie's Charisma's 20 while Fluttershy's is only 18.
Azureink 8th Oct 2011, 10:31 AM edit delete reply
Azureink
I can't wait until Pinkie sings "Giggle at the Ghostly."
Masterweaver 8th Oct 2011, 10:48 AM edit delete reply
...Sooooo. It's Saturday here.
Azureink 8th Oct 2011, 11:45 AM edit delete reply
Azureink
Yes, so far the author has managed to update his site almost every time at 6:00 AM PST. But it is well passed then by time of this post (about 11:45 AM PST). I am worried I will not see the comic until later today as I will need to head off to work soon for a closing shift.
Newbiespud 8th Oct 2011, 1:22 PM edit delete reply
Newbiespud
Yep, it's an honest-to-goodness late comic. A thousand apologies.
leafia6 11th Oct 2011, 11:05 AM edit delete reply
Let's see how this plays out with the manticore.
Draco Dei 25th Oct 2011, 1:07 PM edit delete reply
Vis a Vis my previous comment:
And then, sometimes "underpowered" or "unusual" builds can making for some very interesting RP. Don't know enough about 4E to comment if the strength 8 thing nerfs her offensive abilities enough to be a contributing factor to her character ending up being played as a pacifist. Then again, you could re-flavor that into her continually missing with spells.

Actually, that brings to mind the question of if you are going to include the Elements of Harmony as being the empathic weapon(s) with the themes they have in the show. I ask because an Evil, greedy character being the Element of Generosity seems a bit odd. Rarity pulls it off in the show because she is GOOD and GREEDY, creating a strong tension.
Draco Dei 25th Oct 2011, 1:11 PM edit delete reply
P.S. And the Element of Loyalty being Chaotic Evil is even more of a stretch.
Drakengarde 9th Nov 2011, 9:57 AM edit delete reply
Oh man, Fluttershy WOULD have a natural 18 CHA.

Would totally explain the events of Green Isn't Your Color.
ddemonhunter 29th Nov 2011, 9:08 AM edit delete reply
she is not underpowered, charisma in a magical character makes the spells more powerfull and hard to evade.
she just doesn't know many spells, but the ones she knows, she knows them good
CommandoDude 26th Dec 2011, 11:52 PM edit delete reply
Erm. No. Wisdom forms the main to-hit and damage modifiers for Druids. This is not 3.5.
Anyways, so what? The DM should just have her change her stats, that's what I would do.
Raxon 20th Jan 2012, 5:19 PM edit delete reply
You would force Fluttershy to change? you monster! You should be ashamed of yourself! I have half a mind to... to... Why is there a lynch mob coming this way? Oh crap! Every brony for himself!
Kahran042 18th Aug 2012, 11:31 PM edit delete reply
Wisdom was also the spellcasting stat for Druids in the good editions.
Lady Chaomii 30th Jun 2012, 8:43 PM edit delete reply
"As things stand right now, Fluttershy is going to be... A little underpowered"

Next panal "Fortitute is 11, Reflex is 14, Will is 16"

I know this is 4e, but as a 3.5 player I found that slightly amusing.