Page 189 - Grand Line II, Part 1

9th Oct 2012, 6:00 AM
Grand Line II, Part 1
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Newbiespud 9th Oct 2012, 6:00 AM edit delete
Newbiespud
This is another three-parter. Have fun!

Author: DragonTrainer

Guest Author's Note:
"Well, here we go again. It was fun making these guest comics, both the ones from before and now. Crossovers are always fun because it shows that there's a much bigger world outside the main cast, like the Marvel universe, the DCU, the Stargate series, and Power Rangers. I still remember the first Power Rangers team-up episode (when the Zeo Rangers teamed up with the Alien Rangers, though the In Space and Lost Galaxy team-up was also awesome! Er... I just gave away my age just now, didn't I? ~_^). I don't know about Newbiespud, but for that reason, I like to think that our characters share the same universe. This specific genre of webcomic lends itself very well to crossovers, don'tcha think? :p

"This time, I decided to keep things short instead of trying for a mini-arc like last time. I had intended for that previous one to be much longer, but I was running out of buffer pages for my own comic at the time. Eh, maybe another time. For now, please enjoy these three guest pages. ^_^"
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57 Comments:

Sparkles 9th Oct 2012, 6:02 AM edit delete reply
Grand Line Part II! Sweet!
Ranubis 9th Oct 2012, 6:05 AM edit delete reply
Ranubis
Immortality balanced by hating pears.

Sounds legit.
Digo 9th Oct 2012, 6:13 AM edit delete reply
Those pears have really frightful set of teeth... and that smile...
*Shudders in fetal position*
Dusk Raven 9th Oct 2012, 6:35 AM edit delete reply
If I were DMing, that would become a very, very fatal flaw indeed.

Picture - a vault with a sealed door that can only be opened by eating all the pears in the room. Through some contrived coincidence it falls on the Doctor to eat most or all of them.

The pain begins with him taking a bite and me, oh so innocently, saying "Roll a Fortitude save..."
Digo 9th Oct 2012, 6:53 AM edit delete reply
This could only be made more horrifying when the player makes that Fort roll and you don't immediately tell him what the results entail...
Ranubis 9th Oct 2012, 8:07 AM edit delete reply
Ranubis
Comment Challenge!

What would you have happen as DM if the player failed the Pear Fort roll?
Cain 9th Oct 2012, 8:09 AM edit delete reply
Cain
or worse, ZOMBIE PEARS AHHHHHH!!!!!! *runs screaming away*
hariman 9th Oct 2012, 9:09 AM edit delete reply
... They're still not as scary as Vampire Squash.
LoganAura 9th Oct 2012, 8:32 AM edit delete reply
LoganAura
Depends on the failure. IF a normal fail, the pony will start sputtering and coughing out the pears.
If crit? Pony faints out of disgust.
Digo 9th Oct 2012, 9:28 AM edit delete reply
So, rather than some truely evil pain, the failure just results in the fruit being...

...unpearable.
Zuche 9th Oct 2012, 9:35 AM edit delete reply
Not necessarily, Digo. You know a pyrus can be deceiving.
MWS 9th Oct 2012, 11:08 AM edit delete reply
And even if the can choke them down, they'll hate it. It will certainly be a pyric victory.

NB: Pyric - of or related to pears.
Digo 9th Oct 2012, 1:40 PM edit delete reply
Yeah, that was appearent. :)
Zuche 9th Oct 2012, 9:26 AM edit delete reply
The victim takes damage from either Bartlett's Catapult or the Beurre d'Anjou Trebuchet.
Zuche 9th Oct 2012, 10:39 AM edit delete reply
A slightly more serious reply to Ranubis' question about the failed Fortitude save/check:

If the advantage gained is minor, then the penalty for tasting pair would be a -2 penalty on checks if successful and a combination of the penalty and dazed status if failed.

A more concrete advantage would create an aversion-type affect, forcing the character to spend at least one action per turn on moving away from pears or pear juice until they cannot be sensed in any fashion.

If the advantage was abusive, then I'd redirect the save/check to Will and have the player make it any time anything remotely pear-like appeared or received a mention. Pear puns, even when unintended, would trigger a -2 penalty, as would mention of things going all pear-shaped. Anything literally pear-shaped would compel a choice: get away from the symbol (as above), destroy it (not appropriate to all games), close eyes for as long as it's around (treating the character as blinded), or suffer a -4 penalty on all checks, including saving throws.

Game-breaking advantages would bypass the whole saving throw system. We're in geas territory by that point. Good luck keeping that secret. At least some of them might be too embarrassed to exploit something so absurd.
Crimson Doom 9th Oct 2012, 10:40 AM edit delete reply
Crimson Doom
Can't go wrong with poison.
Ramsus 9th Oct 2012, 9:08 PM edit delete reply
Ramsus
Absolutely nothing. But, I'd keep hinting at if for the whole game. *grins*
CharginChuck 9th Oct 2012, 2:50 PM edit delete reply
CharginChuck
I already hate pears. I'm halfway there!
Malroth 9th Oct 2012, 6:40 AM edit delete reply
Immortality is the Flaw and he's getting Racial Enemy: Pears for it
LoganAura 9th Oct 2012, 6:55 AM edit delete reply
LoganAura
Immortality really is more of a flaw than a boon. Imagine yourself always being the same age, as your friends and family grows older and older, eventually dying and leaving you behind. of course, there's the chance you will find another love or child of your own, but they'll just grow older until they grow old and old. Society around you changes. You never do. People grow old with the people they love. You never do. Eventually you lose track of time and you celebrate your millionth birthday, long after the rest of the world has died, alone and crazy.
sunbeam 9th Oct 2012, 7:16 AM edit delete reply
Wow. I never expected my favorite metaphysical topic to turn up here. I'll try not to rant...
Yes, Immortality is difficult, but it can be a boon. You just have to hold on to your optimism. Think about it this way: you can live in a town for 2 to maybe 5 years at a stretch before people start commenting that you never look any older. Longer if you learn how to work with stage makeup. So you can spend 5 years in Dublin, then 5 years in the Greek Isles, then 5 years in London, then 5 years wandering the great Plains...You have an infinite amount of time to learn languages, earn money for travel, and for all we know you might not need to sleep, so you can get your spare reading done too.
And by the time you lived in every different culture in the world, Humanity will have reinvented itself, and all your old locales will be different. Who's going to remember 30 year old man who lived in town for a couple of years two centuries ago?
The secret is to never stop enjoying the little things. As long as you can smile at the sweetness of a strawberry pastry, you'll have something to smile about on Earth.
So yes, immortality can work. It just requires a very strong mind.
Then there's memory decay, but I won't go into that...
LoganAura 9th Oct 2012, 7:30 AM edit delete reply
LoganAura
Ok, I just thought of the negatives of imortality. now you make me want to be immortal :P
sunbeam 9th Oct 2012, 7:31 AM edit delete reply
Dang it. I started ranting...
darkwulf23 9th Oct 2012, 8:43 AM edit delete reply
darkwulf23
Well everybody keeps on saying that immortality is a curse simply because the loneliness. To handle that I would just give out the secret of immortality to several different people so I won't be alone.
Zuche 9th Oct 2012, 9:33 AM edit delete reply
If you live long enough, the universe will die around you. This would be a good time to know the Fiat Lux technique.
kriss1989 9th Oct 2012, 9:24 PM edit delete reply
kriss1989
Ah, the Cold Ones scenario springs to mind. Makes you wish for those immortals sake that they either do eventually die, one the universe restarts whether or not they live. Going full Cold Ones would be a fate of the darkest and most nightmarish magnitude.
Crimson Doom 9th Oct 2012, 10:41 AM edit delete reply
Crimson Doom
Indeed. Immortality is only a curse if you're the only immortal person around.
nekollx 9th Oct 2012, 9:01 AM edit delete reply
nekollx
funnily Younge Justice Season 2 talks about this with Conner Kent/Superboy
CrowMagnon 9th Oct 2012, 2:24 PM edit delete reply
Technically, Superboy is aging internally. He just doesn't show it on the outside. My impression was that his issues over that had more to do with how it means he's going to be SuperBOY for the rest of his life.
Asheram 9th Oct 2012, 11:40 AM edit delete reply
Now, the trick is to remember the difference between "immortality" and the simple "not aging"
Not aging, I'm sure that we all would take that if we could.
Immortality on the other hand would be a curse, not being able to die after the world has gone dark and just being able to sit there waiting for the next big bang.
Shiva491 9th Oct 2012, 1:39 PM edit delete reply
Yeah. I've heard all of the reasons for "immortality sucks," and they've never convinced me. You could pursue a hobby to ridciculous skill-you could become a master to the nth degree-or you could use your immense wisdom to improving people's lives in little ways--maybe move around, and just help. You could learn absolutely everything about a topic, and know a little of anything, and have time to still run and ...I'm going to stop now. Needless to say, I really, really like the idea.
Arckiem 9th Oct 2012, 6:48 PM edit delete reply
I figure it'll be worth it. Don't get me wrong, I'm not cold and indifferent, and I don't shun companionship. However, there is such a vast amount of knowledge in this world, more than anyone can discover in the time granted to them. To be given the time to discover... well think about what a genius can do in their short life time. Now imagine an above average person with millions of life times? Just imagine.
Sparkles 9th Oct 2012, 9:32 PM edit delete reply
As long as there is strawberry pastry involved with immortality, I think it would be worth it!
CJT 9th Oct 2012, 9:40 AM edit delete reply
The degree to which this is a curse or not depends on the psychology of the immortal in question. Hitchhiker's Guide had a bit of commentary on this, via Wowbagger the Indefinitely Prolonged.

The pony fic "It Takes a Village" has Princess Luna talk about this, as well. Spike's lamenting the fact that all of his friends will die long before he does. She has a rather impressive speech. Excerpt:

S: "But they'll leave me. They'll all die."

L: "Yes. But you and I, we will not. We endure."
L: "And then you will die, and I will not. And I will endure."
L: "And when the moon crumbles to silver dust and the sun expands in a glorious conflagration and this world is nothing but a cold cinder in the void, I too shall die."
Jason Shadow 9th Oct 2012, 8:54 PM edit delete reply
Jason Shadow
Speaking of fics, I once wrote one where Celestia, Luna, and Discord lived on past the death of the Universe itself. Although it leaned heavily towards Waiting For Godot levels of Absurdism and cast immortality in a rather negative view, I personally wouldn't mind immortality at all. My appreciation for the little things and general tendency toward introversion certainly help matters...
Exile 9th Oct 2012, 12:00 PM edit delete reply
Also what happens if you get trapped under a building collapse? How many days would they give up before they call it quits rescuing people? What happens if they leave you down there?

Not to mention the human race is still evolving. We don't look the same as we did several thousand years ago, you can end up looking like a different race a million years in the future. Imagine being one step below the human evolution chain and trying to live in that society.
Gomegadon 9th Oct 2012, 2:17 PM edit delete reply
well if they leave you down there... you wait, the building materials will eventually crumble, but hey in that time you can make the best kind of friends... imaginary ones and they'll keep you company and sing and dance, oh and there will be that one angry one that insults you for getting stuck there and never lets you forget about it and follows you for eternity even after you escape and the nice ones have all fled back to your inner child never to be heard from again.
CJT 9th Oct 2012, 10:23 PM edit delete reply
That folds back to the "psychology" bit. True immortals (or at least ones who can cope well) would have near-infinite patience.

Humans, of course, don't. Nor do we have an infinite capacity for knowledge or memory, or for remaining interested in hobbies. Human minds are _really_ not built to handle eternity.

Of course, becoming immortal would involve huge enough physical changes that the required mental changes could be added to the package. You just won't end up with something that thinks much like a human any more.
CJT 9th Oct 2012, 10:27 PM edit delete reply
Regarding evolution, that might explain why Celestia and Luna look different from other ponies. The species might have developed dwarfism over the last few tens of thousands of years.
CharginChuck 9th Oct 2012, 2:56 PM edit delete reply
CharginChuck
There's no time for us
There's no place for us
What is this thing that builds our dreams
Yet slips away from us
Who wants to live forever?
Who wants to live forever.....?
The Batman 9th Oct 2012, 5:02 PM edit delete reply
God, I loves me some good Queen.
DragonTrainer 9th Oct 2012, 9:04 AM edit delete reply
DragonTrainer
Psst. There's a 13 at the end of my deviantart name. :p
Zuche 9th Oct 2012, 9:37 AM edit delete reply
That tells you all you need to know about the life expectancy of dragon trainers, doesn't it?
Newbiespud 9th Oct 2012, 10:19 AM edit delete reply
Newbiespud
Fixed. Sorry about that...
Clock Work 9th Oct 2012, 12:17 PM edit delete reply
Ok I have to point out that Time Lords are not immortal especially the Doctor. Regeneration can only occur 12 times resulting in 13 incarnations.
sunbeam 9th Oct 2012, 3:26 PM edit delete reply
I sincerely do not believe that they're going to keep that canon when they reach the 13th Doctor. Because that would be ridiculous, both from a business and a fan standpoint.
LoganAura 9th Oct 2012, 3:53 PM edit delete reply
LoganAura
There's a simple explanation for that Whole new time lord. Not the one that gets regenerated.
sunbeam 9th Oct 2012, 3:57 PM edit delete reply
Not so simple, with the extremity of the genocide they've implied...and the fact from what I can tell, we want most time lords to stay DEAD.
Unless...Oh, dear. Oh dear, oh dear.
Unless the Doctor takes a romantic relationship far enough to have a child. The original canon was that the doctor was half-human (hence his fascination with Earth), but...Jenny. Oh, dear.
Admittedly, it seems to be a doctor who tradition to go through canon with an axe every now and again, so who knows?
Cain 9th Oct 2012, 4:59 PM edit delete reply
Cain
well, if he fought in the Last Great Time War, he got a full set of regenerations for fighting in it, at least I think that's what I heard, all time lords/ladies fighting in the war had their regenerations topped off, giving him either a total of 20 or 21 incarnations depending if he got it on the 8th or 9th one.
ThousandYearSunrise 9th Oct 2012, 8:09 PM edit delete reply
ThousandYearSunrise
If you want to get REALLY strange about it, there's bits of lore to suggest that he's actually the reborn form of a Time Lord God, the Other.
sunbeam 9th Oct 2012, 8:43 PM edit delete reply
There's other cross-canon bits that suggest he (not all time lords, JUST the doctor) Is an elder god. Yes, a Lovecraftian Elder God.
I stopped trusting Doctor Who Canon the second time they declared the Daleks were gone forever.
Cale 10th Oct 2012, 5:33 AM edit delete reply
It's possible. The Master ran out of regenerations at one point, and after several failed attempts at recharging them finally managed.

Don't forget that our Doctor is also slated to have at least a 13th 'regeneration' (not 'incarnation'), after spending time as the villainous Valeyard.
Akouma 9th Oct 2012, 3:04 PM edit delete reply
Akouma
Doc Whooves took immortality as his talent? What a jerk!

...Half of my DCURPG characters having high enough ranks in immortality to respawn after only one round of being dead, however, totally legit.
The Batman 9th Oct 2012, 4:58 PM edit delete reply
I love/hate how I can't come up with anything for this until now.
kriss1989 10th Oct 2012, 3:38 PM edit delete reply
kriss1989
My friend just had the most perfect idea for how to abuse hatred of pears. After a scene where the villain KOs and captures the heroes, he wakes up in front of a full length mirror to discover that he is trapped inside a pear suite. He cannot access the zipper on the back. Enjoy.
DPV111 22nd Oct 2012, 8:15 PM edit delete reply
DPV111
I swear I've seen nearly this exact same dialogue somewhere before.
Nobody@home 9th Nov 2012, 6:38 AM edit delete reply
As potential gamebreakers go, immortality is hopelessly overrated anyway. Most campaigns don't really last long enough for a potential difference in raw lifespan to matter, and being able to genuinely "cheat death" in some game-mechanical fashion fundamentally just means volunteering to be the GM's punching bag because hey, your guy (or gal) can safely take it, right?...