Page 169 - A Fire Within

1st Sep 2012, 6:00 AM
A Fire Within
Average Rating: 5 (2 votes)
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Newbiespud 1st Sep 2012, 6:00 AM edit delete
Newbiespud
If I might paraphrase a little bit from STORY by Robert McKee...

Good characters in writing are said to have "dimensions." What is that, exactly? Just having a laundry list of random character traits (collects stamps, failed high-school French, only buys wheat bread, etc.) isn't enough to make an interesting character.

Simply put, a character dimension is a spectrum between two opposed qualities. The story's events cause the character to respond on both ends of the spectrum, allowing the audience to see the same character from multiple angles (hence, "dimension").

Rarity's primary character dimension is obvious: Her generosity versus her greed. Earning gratitude from her friends (Suited For Success) inspires her to act generously, while lucrative social/business opportunities (Sweet and Elite) appeals to her greed. Same character, contradictory responses in different situations. Interesting character.

Over the course of the series, Fluttershy has slowly revealed a character dimension of her own: Her meekness versus her assertiveness. In Putting Your Hoof Down, the writers of the show pushed that spectrum to further extremes than ever before, resulting in an expanded frame of reference for her character.

I could go on, but suffice to say I'm always impressed by the writing on this show.

67 Comments:

Raxon 1st Sep 2012, 6:00 AM edit delete reply
Raxon
FLUTTERSHY SMASH PUNY DRAGON! FLUTTERSHY MAD! EAT HOOF!
Digo 1st Sep 2012, 6:02 AM edit delete reply
Oh yes, I love that about Fluttershy's character. That even a meek pony can bring out a raging fire of determination and bravado ^_^
darkwulf23 1st Sep 2012, 6:02 AM edit delete reply
darkwulf23
Let's get dangerous
Raxon 1st Sep 2012, 6:11 AM edit delete reply
Raxon
And the preceding line was "I dunno, F.S., isn't that dangerous?"
nekollx 1st Sep 2012, 10:39 AM edit delete reply
nekollx
of couse now i'm remind of my Left 4 Duck Fan fic where Darkwing has to fight his way through zombie hordes on his quect to find and rescue Goslyn
Digo 2nd Sep 2012, 11:15 AM edit delete reply
"Looks like I'm gonna have to juuuump!"
Umiyuri Papaeyra 1st Sep 2012, 6:19 AM edit delete reply
Umiyuri Papaeyra
FluuuuutteeeeeerSMASH!
Cthulhu_Inc 1st Sep 2012, 6:35 AM edit delete reply
Protip: don't make Fluttershy mad. You won't like her when she's mad.
ShadowDragon8685 1st Sep 2012, 6:52 AM edit delete reply
ShadowDragon8685
Uhoh. Are we going to see the early appearance of Psychoshy?

This should be good. Hell, even if it is, line-by-line, a verbatim dialogue from the episode, it should be good. :)

I can't wait to see what happens next.
tuxgeo 1st Sep 2012, 10:20 AM edit delete reply
tuxgeo
Re: "I can't wait to see what happens next."

What happens next is comic number 170 -- which number is evenly divisible by 10, and therefore an opportunity for Newbiespud to make it a double-length comic. (*Hint* - *wish* - *hint*)
Tvtyrant 1st Sep 2012, 7:35 PM edit delete reply
Hey Shadowdragon, fancy seeing you here.
Oblivious 1st Sep 2012, 7:28 AM edit delete reply
Oblivious
Well, we all have a pretty good idea of what's gonna happen, so how about a comical alternate turn of events?

FS: How dare you? HOW DARE YOU?!
Everyone else: !!!
FS: (slams hands down on the table, eyes locked on the DM) Listen here, mister! (gets face-to-face with the DM) Just because you're big, doesn't mean you get to be a bully!!
DM: (eyes widening) Okay, good so far...
FS: You may have huge teeth, and sharp scales...
DM: Waitaminute...
FS: ...snore smoke, and breathe fire...
DM: (looking at the other players) Is she mad at me or the dragon?
Everyone else: *shrugs*
FS: You do NOT! I repeat, DO NOT! HURT. MY. FRIENDS!!!
DM: (slinking down fearfully behind the DM screen)
FS: Got that?
DM: (shaking head rapid in acknowledgement) Uhh, yeah. I got all that...wow, that's uhh... gonna be worth a significant bonus. I'm willing to do at least a plus five...
FS: (stares angrily at the DM)
DM: Erm, a plus ten at least. You still gotta roll for Intimidation though...
FS: (snaps out of self-righteous anger mode) ...oh, right. (rolls d20). Oh, my...
Everyone else: What is it?!
FS: It's a...
DM: (groans and face palms) It's a Nat20, isn't it?
FS: It's a 1.
Everyone else: (Epic Face Table)
AJ: Well, A for effort, sugarcube.
Katarani 1st Sep 2012, 3:22 PM edit delete reply
Luckily, there's no penalty for a Nat 1 on skill checks unless you house rule it in.
Oblivious 1st Sep 2012, 4:58 PM edit delete reply
Oblivious
It's always been a house rule in every game I've ever been a part of that a natural 1's and 20's are something special; gives the chance for the DM to add that little extra flavor to a particular moment, and helps to get the players more heavily invested in the outcome of their actions. Makes for a much better game, IMO.

Also, a titanic failure isn't always the end of the world; hell, there's been a few occasions where it has even saved the party. Infrequent, but it still happens.
MirrorImage 1st Sep 2012, 8:48 PM edit delete reply
MirrorImage
Of course, there's also the counter-rule that skill check be damned if you describe it well enough.

Just wait for Wil Wheaton's "Flip out of Acid" Maneuver from earlier today gets on youtube and you'll see what I mean.
Oblivious 2nd Sep 2012, 1:51 AM edit delete reply
Oblivious
Oh no, I understand completely. I just meant that not every DM feels that the storytelling is more important than the gorram skill check. Sad, but true; I know that feel all too well.
MirrorImage 2nd Sep 2012, 7:59 AM edit delete reply
MirrorImage
http://www.twitch.tv/pax/b/330756388

Go to 2:05:00 on that video and you'll see what I was referring to.
Oblivious 2nd Sep 2012, 8:44 AM edit delete reply
Oblivious
Glorious...

I've been meaning to watch that, and now I have to do it get some context to Cirque de Aeofel. Also, I want that fez.
Demonu 2nd Sep 2012, 10:46 AM edit delete reply
Demonu
Really?

Awesome, that means I'll have to roll at least 50% less for skill checks XD
darkwulf23 1st Sep 2012, 7:45 AM edit delete reply
darkwulf23
Hopefully we get to see Scaryshy Tuesday. Newbiespud is killing us with suspense. Oh and here is something we can do to pass the time. Predict the dragon's and mane six's lines in the comic. I'll go first.

Dragon: But that white one stole from me.

or

Fluttershy: You are not a bad dragon. You are just cranky from being woken up from your nap.
darkwulf23 1st Sep 2012, 7:56 AM edit delete reply
darkwulf23
OK not a stellar example of comedy moment but hey, you want the diamonds to stand out you need to surround it by mundane rocks.
Raxon 1st Sep 2012, 8:50 AM edit delete reply
Raxon
Dragon: But that pink one was singing off key.

Pinkie: Excuse me!? I most definitely was not!
darkwulf23 2nd Sep 2012, 2:02 PM edit delete reply
darkwulf23
Dragon: But the Purple one annoyed me.

Twilight: Excuse me, I was the one who annoyed you when all I did was trying to reason with you?

Dragon: Well you were the one that woke me up.
Destrustor 3rd Sep 2012, 2:22 AM edit delete reply
Destrustor
D: But the perverted white one tried to seduce me.
Ra: Aw buck no! I just tried to steal your hoard!
D: Oh, is that so?
Ra: uhhh...
Zuche 3rd Sep 2012, 6:28 AM edit delete reply
That's a good one, Destrustor, but doesn't hoard stealing count as dragon foreplay?

(Sorry, Destrustor. I've been misreading that name constantly. Will practice.)
LoganAura 3rd Sep 2012, 6:41 AM edit delete reply
LoganAura
D: But the pink one referenced the Looney Tunes Show
P: No I Didn't!?
D: But you were dressed like daffy duck was.
T: Wait, she was?
D: Er, yeah. She drew the outfit and showed it to me. See?
P: Yeah, but that's a Looney Tunes reference. Not the stupid rehash show.
grtgfbll 1st Sep 2012, 7:52 AM edit delete reply
grtgfbll
That dragon is about to have an O.F. (Oh, F***) moment.
Zuche 1st Sep 2012, 8:04 AM edit delete reply
Everyone considered her a coward of a pony...
The Hittite 1st Sep 2012, 8:27 AM edit delete reply
"Courage isn't just a matter of not being frightened, you know. It's being afraid and doing what you have to do anyway."

-The Doctor (Jon Pertwee)
ThousandYearSunrise 1st Sep 2012, 12:05 PM edit delete reply
ThousandYearSunrise
- The Doctor (and half of all Disney movies ever)
Zuche 1st Sep 2012, 10:42 PM edit delete reply
Also Robert Heinlein, in a short story when he made the mistake of selling non-fiction as fiction.
DracoS 1st Sep 2012, 8:28 AM edit delete reply
I think my favorite Fluttershy moment comes from "Griffon the Brush Off" when Pinkie Pie pats her on the head and says "Just let your Auntie Pinkie Pie take care of everything."

The way she says "I'm a year older than you." hinted to me that there was more to her than liking animals and being shy.
DracoS 1st Sep 2012, 8:28 AM edit delete reply
I think my favorite Fluttershy moment comes from "Griffon the Brush Off" when Pinkie Pie pats her on the head and says "Just let your Auntie Pinkie Pie take care of everything."

The way she says "I'm a year older than you." hinted to me that there was more to her than liking animals and being shy.
deeman45 1st Sep 2012, 8:29 AM edit delete reply
Love the contrast between panels four and six.
Guest 1st Sep 2012, 9:07 AM edit delete reply
And then she unleashed a five minute stream of obscenities that melted the paint of the walls.
GreyDuck 1st Sep 2012, 9:19 AM edit delete reply
So here I am, keeping up with the boy's comic, and LEARNING THINGS? Yeesh, what's the world coming to. (Honestly, that's the best explanation of the "spectrum" idea I've read yet. Thank you!)

And, since I have no exposure to the source material beyond... well... this comic? I have no idea what's coming next. I'm enjoying that. :)
Raxon 1st Sep 2012, 9:58 AM edit delete reply
Raxon
Fluttershy blackmails the dragon into leaving, but he doesn't like being blackmailed, so he burns her cottage and the forest where all her little friends live on his way out, and only Angel escapes.


Oh, and, uh, spoiler warning and stuff, I guess.
Zuche 3rd Sep 2012, 6:34 AM edit delete reply
Glad to see you're enjoying the work, GreyDuck. Your son's reworking of the source material has been both fun and illuminating.
Cain 1st Sep 2012, 9:36 AM edit delete reply
Cain
I did some of the math, a 60lb gnome would have a Kinetic Energy of about 350000 (I forget exact number) on impact. That's at least I'd say 5d20.
Lyntermas 1st Sep 2012, 10:44 AM edit delete reply
Lyntermas
Dat face in the last panel. She's gonna roleplay that dragon's ass off.

Sorry, this came into my head and I have to write it down: Gangsta Fluttershy.

FS: Do you got the balls?
Dragon: ...What?
FS: I'm asking if you got the balls. I hope so, because when someone decides blow smoke all up in my hood, and messes with my homies, I have to make sure he don't got mental problems before I make him taste the curb! You thinking that walking like a pimp with your scales and claws is gonna impress me, motherbucker? Now, you's best be steppin, or so help me, you might as well tell Celestia that you like bananas, cause you going straight to the MOOOOOOOOOON, b*tch....Do we have an understanding?
Oblivious 1st Sep 2012, 8:49 PM edit delete reply
Oblivious
Once again, you win, Lyn.
Zuche 1st Sep 2012, 10:54 PM edit delete reply
Yeah, no way I'm going to top that, though it does give me an idea for an alternate panel in place of the next strip or so. It needs an image of Fluttershy holding up a small animal and a word balloon containing the phrase, "Say hello to my little friend!"
Greywander 2nd Sep 2012, 10:14 AM edit delete reply
Greywander
FS: What do I look like?
DM: What?
FS: What country you from?!
DM: What?
FS: What ain't no country I ever heard of. They speak Equestrian in What?
DM: What?
FS: EQUESTRIAN APPLEBUCKER DO YOU SPEAK IT?!
DM: ...Y-yes!
FS: THEN YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING TO YOU!
DM: Yes!
FS: DESCRIBE WHAT I LOOK LIKE!
DM: What? I...
FS: SAY WHAT AGAIN! SAY. WHAT. AGAIN. I DARE YOU, I DOUBLE DARE YOU, APPLEBUCKER! SAY WHAT ONE MORE MOON BANISHED TIME!
DM: Y-you have a pale yellow c-coat.
FS: Go on...
DM: ...And a pink mane...
FS: DO I LOOK LIKE YOUR MARE?
DM: What?
Guest 3rd Sep 2012, 3:08 PM edit delete reply
Sometimes the truth is stranger than fiction. Pony Fiction that is...
The Guest 3rd Sep 2012, 3:59 PM edit delete reply
FS: All right, then, Mister Dragon, sir, you, uh, you better stop being a, a, a big MEANIE-PANTS! Um, please?
Angel: *Glaring at the dragon from behind FS* I know you can understand me, buddy, and I know you know who I am. So you just better do as my little girly here says, and maybe, just maybe, there won't be any trouble. 'Cause if you don't, well, it's going to get all Monty Python up in here, got it?
PikalaxALT 1st Sep 2012, 3:18 PM edit delete reply
Flutterrant in H-72.
Keith 1st Sep 2012, 11:52 PM edit delete reply
Last panel = the moment when Guile's Theme starts playing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dp5_tWjADes
Sparkles 2nd Sep 2012, 10:23 AM edit delete reply
Dragon cries back to Tiamat: "Scare the ponies they said, it'll be easy they said."
Digo 2nd Sep 2012, 11:18 AM edit delete reply
"And then they yellow pony threw a chimney at me, and it hurt!" D:
Akouma 2nd Sep 2012, 4:49 PM edit delete reply
Akouma
I always liked that it was Flutters who had the worst anger issues when pushed. The nice ones are always the ones who you have to push ridiculously too far to make them snap, meaning that when you get them there, you'll REALLY wish you hadn't.

Dash's anger made her kick a dragon in the face. Absolutely terrible plan.

Flutter's anger sent that same dragon crying home in terror even though there was logically absolutely nothing she could've actually done to her.

Also, "Twilight, couldn't you just use your magic to put the dragon to sleep then levitate it over a cliff onto some sharp rocks?" "No, that'd be stupid or else I would've thought of it."
The MunchKING 3rd Sep 2012, 6:52 PM edit delete reply
The MunchKING
Obviously Angry Fluttershy would do exactly what she threatened to do with the cockatrice. Hunt him down and tell his mommy on him. :P
ShadowDragon8685 3rd Sep 2012, 3:13 AM edit delete reply
ShadowDragon8685
Oh man, it would be COMPLETELY out-of-character...

But Gangstashy would be hilarious.

Now we just need to find a girl loud enough, angry enough, and sounding as akin to a female Samuel L. Jackson as possible, to record the whole Pulp Fiction bit.
Raxon 3rd Sep 2012, 8:15 AM edit delete reply
Raxon
I don't mean to toot my own horn, especially in public cause I got arrested that one time, but I'm pretty good at playing a female. I can do the voice, and you wouldn't believe my babe walk.
Demonu 3rd Sep 2012, 10:21 AM edit delete reply
Demonu
Pics or it didn't happen :)
Zuche 3rd Sep 2012, 10:36 AM edit delete reply
You got arrested for tooting your own horn in public?
Raxon 3rd Sep 2012, 10:49 AM edit delete reply
Raxon
Well, yeah, it's totally possible. I was tuning up my trombone, and I got arrested when I started to oil my slide.
The Guest 3rd Sep 2012, 4:05 PM edit delete reply
I know what you mean. I was fingering my friend's trumpet, see, and decided to try out my mouthpiece on it, but there ended up being too much noise and a neighbor peered into the backyard...
Derpmind 3rd Sep 2012, 8:30 AM edit delete reply
*Eyes left*
*Eyes right*
Everyone gone?

Fluttershy: FUS RO DAH!!!
Zuche 3rd Sep 2012, 10:38 AM edit delete reply
There's always someone watching the comments.

Always.
Raxon 3rd Sep 2012, 10:53 AM edit delete reply
Raxon
Applejack sees your internet meme. Remember the old song:

In the eyes of a ranger,
The unsuspecting stranger
Had better know the truth of wrong from right,
'cause the eyes of a ranger are upon you,
Any wrong you do she's gonna see.
When you're out trollin' look behind you,
'cause that's where the ranger's gonna be.

I see your dragonborn, and raise you a ranger.
Joe England 3rd Sep 2012, 1:04 PM edit delete reply
Very nicely put. I know what you mean. That really is a part of what's made Friendship is Magic so popular. The characters have such depth that the mere glimpses we catch create easy avenues in our imaginations through which we can read deeply into what might be behind the facades they put forward. Fluttershy, for example, seems to have such a violent temper when roused that one might imagine her meekness stems from an inherent (and not unreasonable) fear of her own uncontrollable emotions, leading her to distance herself from social situations. Or perhaps she suffered from some kind of childhood abuse which instilled in her a deep fear of drawing attention to herself, and her temper is a result of unresolved anger welling up every now and then. The point is, the writers seemed to realize that they could create their characters more fully not by nailing them to their prominent traits but by poking holes in them.
Gaehhn 3rd Sep 2012, 2:48 PM edit delete reply
Since I recently played Portal (1+2) whenever I see this scene I can't help but to think of Cave Johnson and his combustible lemons. It fits so well.
Jason Shadow 3rd Sep 2012, 3:47 PM edit delete reply
Jason Shadow
"Make life take the dragons back! Get mad! I don’t want your damn dragons, what the hell am I supposed to do with these?"
Anvildude 3rd Sep 2012, 5:42 PM edit delete reply
What are you supposed to do with Dragons? Are they edible? Can you hang a hat on one?
Cave Johnson 4th Sep 2012, 12:27 PM edit delete reply
Demand to see the Dungeon Master! Make him rue the day he thought he could give Fluttershy dragons! Do you know who she is? She's the pony who's gonna pull your campaign down! With the dragons. She's gonna use her intimidation to pull your campaign down!
musicluvr1974 4th Sep 2012, 1:22 AM edit delete reply
Ever since I saw the episode you've been getting your screen caps from, I've been waiting for this...!! :-D

(unfortunately, everyone else seems to have taken all the appropriate Chew Bubblegum lines already...lol)
SgtFrog 14th Nov 2012, 1:07 PM edit delete reply
Fanon!Fluttershy is probably my least favorite character because some people like playing up her meekness (which makes her into a spineless, fearful lump) and others like playing up her assertiveness (which makes her a furious demon-pony).

Is there no middle ground?