Page 117 - Table Turnabout

5th May 2012, 6:00 AM
Table Turnabout
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Newbiespud 5th May 2012, 6:00 AM edit delete
Newbiespud
Guest artist: Jovey4

Recognize this? This is the Fluttershy v. Manticore moment from page 57, but this time from the point of view of the players around the DM table!

WAY back when I first called out for guest comics, Jovey approached me with an offer to do some fanart - whatever I particularly wanted to see, he said. I replied: I've always wanted to see an artist's interpretation of the players. He's done some pretty impressive work, I'd say! (You can also see the full-res version on his deviantART page - this one's been significantly sized down.)

And with this, the sabbatical comes to a close! Thanks to all the readers for being so patient and supportive, and a special thanks to all of the guest artists and authors that kept this comic flowing with funny content! The My Little Pony fandom truly, truly rocks.

But for those of you that have been waiting anxiously for the main run of comics to return: Dragonshy is coming up next, only on the Hub- I mean, Friendship is Dragons. See you there!

58 Comments:

darkwulf23 5th May 2012, 6:08 AM edit delete reply
darkwulf23
Not a bad artist but I usually prefer not to see what the players look like. It kind of takes away from the fantasy. Anyway I think I figured out every character except for Rarity and Twilight, any body know who they are?
darkwulf23 5th May 2012, 6:12 AM edit delete reply
darkwulf23
Or I could have hit the link on the comments page and found out.
Silverbolt 5th May 2012, 6:14 AM edit delete reply
Compare the dialog to page 57. Twilight is the brunette in the purple shirt, Applejack is the ginger in the cowboy hat, Pinkie Pie is the curly-haired blonde in the pink shirt, and Fluttershy is the pale-skinned long-haired blonde. That leaves Dash and Rarity, who didn't speak... and Dash is pretty clearly the hoodie-clad dark-haired one with a near-perpetual scowl just going from her attitude. So Rarity must be the black girl with glasses.
sjosten 5th May 2012, 6:35 AM edit delete reply
Rarity is the black one because of the irony of having a white unicorn be black. Also, Twilight has a similar haircut to her player.
Karilyn 5th May 2012, 7:28 AM edit delete reply
Karilyn
It's not that ironic Sjosten. I've figured for a long time if they were humans that Rarity would be black. Has to do with the fact that for the most part, humanized ponies wear the color clothing of their fur (Note the fact that all of the character's shirts match their pony's colors, with the exception of Pinkie)

And since Rarity is a fashionista, and it is very much in style for black women to wear white fabric with colored rhinestones, it would only logically follow that Rarity must be black for her fashion sense to align that way.

Yes I think about this way too hard.

On the matter of Twilight having a similar hairstyle, so do all the others. Rainbow Dash has layers. Applejack has a braided ponytail. Rarity has the tight curls (though only of her bangs), Fluttershy's hair is extremely long and straight. And of course Pinkie Pie's is curly.
darkwulf23 5th May 2012, 7:46 AM edit delete reply
darkwulf23
No, her shirt matches, if you dull the colors a little. Course that's the same with everybody's colors, just dulled to a more lifelike color than the crayola fun pack you see in fim. Good observation though, I'm surprised that I missed the colors and the hair style, especially since I recognized Fluttershy right off the bat because of her looks and clothing.
Artsy 5th May 2012, 8:52 PM edit delete reply
I always figured that she'd be Asian, since her eyes are shaped rather more almond~like than the others, her hair is dark and (This is not trying to be racist, I swear!) she's a natural business woman.
Rob 6th May 2012, 1:16 PM edit delete reply
Funny, I would have thought that Fluttershy and Pinkie, considering their hair colors, would have been redheads.
Tharag 5th May 2012, 6:51 AM edit delete reply
That seating arrangement seems a bit odd. Rarity, Twilight, Applejack, and Pinkie all crowded together on one side while Dash takes up the entire other long side all to herself. Is she supposed to be so anti-social that no one wants to sit by her or something?
BadHorse 5th May 2012, 7:58 AM edit delete reply
It's a classic staging trick. In real life, people spread out equally, but in order to get several peoples' faces visible together, you jam everybody on one side.
Bronymous 5th May 2012, 8:32 AM edit delete reply
Bronymous
Its a "Last Supper" kid of deal.
kriss1989 5th May 2012, 2:59 PM edit delete reply
kriss1989
My explination was that Pinkie's player was on the same side as RD but she moved over to join in the conversation...and maybe peek at the DMs notes.
Derpmind 5th May 2012, 5:27 PM edit delete reply
Quoted from the artist, Jovey4, on the comic's deviantART page: "Well I did it mainly because of the composition work to squeeze pinkie in one more panel~ it's also a perfect replica of my own table during D&D sessions since the table's up against 3 walls, so the person in RD's seat has a hard time getting out if there's another person on the other side" :)
Boden King 5th May 2012, 7:33 AM edit delete reply
I like how we can't see the GM. Also now I want to see their reactions to Pinkie when she suggested the limerick, I don't remember which page that was.
helpusobi1 5th May 2012, 7:35 AM edit delete reply
helpusobi1
Just noticed a NMM miniature on the table... nice.
Chetoos 5th May 2012, 7:42 AM edit delete reply
That's a Chrysalis Mini, not NMM. Still awesome, though.
helpusobi1 5th May 2012, 3:05 PM edit delete reply
helpusobi1
meh, stupid screen res.
Your Obedient Serpent 5th May 2012, 8:09 AM edit delete reply
No attempts at crazy hair color, but despite that, everyone's immediately identifiable as their characters.

Funny thing: just a couple of days ago, I was griping to some of my friends that almost every "humanized pony" pic I'd seen depicted the entire Mane Cast as white.
kriss1989 5th May 2012, 3:01 PM edit delete reply
kriss1989
Really? Most of the ones I've seen have had Twilight be either a lightly colored black or an Indian. She's the one that usually gets hit up for the race change, so seeing it be Rarity for once was a nice surprise...Surprise has curly blond hair like Pinkie's player...OMG!
Digo 5th May 2012, 8:10 AM edit delete reply
I like it, and particularly that the humans aren't drawn exactly as the ponies in human form, but have subtle traits of them. That actually jives more like how players build characters in my experience. :D

My only thought is to add more minis on the board to make it look better, but eh, its a silly nitpick.
hrwilliams 5th May 2012, 8:24 AM edit delete reply
hrwilliams
Keep up the good work. I love how you draw this!
Zuche 5th May 2012, 8:30 AM edit delete reply
I like the Fluttershy way her player bites her lip. Rarity's glasses are also a nice touch.
Bronymous 5th May 2012, 8:35 AM edit delete reply
Bronymous
I won't lie. This design threw me. I guess like a lot of people I was visualizing them as their generic humanized counterparts.

And when I saw Rarity.... It's ok I fought the urge.
Chozirate 5th May 2012, 8:36 AM edit delete reply
I think the best things about this page are Fluttershy's player and RD-player's faces in panel 3. The whole page is a treat, though.
Chozirate 5th May 2012, 8:37 AM edit delete reply
*face. Sorry.
Karilyn 6th May 2012, 12:15 PM edit delete reply
Karilyn
I'm quite fond of Rarity's face in panel 3.
Azureink 5th May 2012, 9:22 AM edit delete reply
Azureink
I would have liked to see the minis of all the ponies and the manticore on the grid.
XandZero2 5th May 2012, 9:25 AM edit delete reply
I'll say this. Whenever I hear a person's voice on the radio or on a cartoon, I imagine them looking a certain way.

-Then when I see what the voice-actors really look like it freaks me out, because they look nothing like what I'd expected (perhaps because they just seem too real when I dream in anime-inspired counterparts? I don't know).

So, what I'm saying is that this comic freaked me out like it freaks me out when I see the real face behind a voice.

Maybe that means the characters looked too realistic to me - no idea (but then again, I was also opening the page expecting to see colorful ponies with rainbow colored mains - so I guess anything would seem more realistic than that. Huh).

All in all, I did like figuring out who each character was - but I also would have liked to see the GM behind the curtain.
deeman45 5th May 2012, 10:26 AM edit delete reply
Pinkie's player is my favorite. She's nothing like I imagined and yet so, so fitting.

Besides the weird seating arrangement (four on one side, while Fluttershy and RD get their own segments?) I really enjoyed this one.
Zarhon 5th May 2012, 11:46 AM edit delete reply
Zarhon
I never understand why so many people draw humanized Pinkie Pie as chubby.

I understand that they do it due to her cake devouring habits, but if she's any bit active/hyperactive/insane as her pony self is, she'd burn any weight gained that way pretty fast, regardless of her party food habits. I mean, she jumps almost everywhere she goes.

Also, usually it's Twilight that's drawn with a dark complexion. If she's a bookworm, she'd probably have pale skin, from all the time spent indoors.
banjo2E 5th May 2012, 2:26 PM edit delete reply
banjo2E
Maybe she's just naturally chubby? Plenty of people are that way.
kriss1989 5th May 2012, 3:05 PM edit delete reply
kriss1989
...Twilight usually has a darker complexion because she's not depicted as white. It's not a tan, it's that she's not white.

Also, this is a player, not Pinkie. There is nothing that says she's as hyper and burns it off like her pony character would.
Guest 5th May 2012, 3:28 PM edit delete reply
Saying human Pinkie should be thin because she's hyperactive is like saying human Fluttershy should be fat because she's meek and doesn't exert herself.

A rambunctious personality does not translate to fat-burning exercise. I'm really not sure where people get that idea.
Digo 7th May 2012, 7:14 AM edit delete reply
+1
Keairan 5th May 2012, 8:57 PM edit delete reply
In my Head canon I have Pinkie having a form of hyperthyroidism as an explanation for her eating habits and hyperness.
Karilyn 6th May 2012, 9:23 AM edit delete reply
Karilyn
I think people draw Pinkie Pie as chubby because she's so jolly. Which pop culture has ingrained in our brain as jelly tummy.
Bronymous 6th May 2012, 10:31 AM edit delete reply
Bronymous
I still think they all look like men, besides Fluttershy.

Well not men, per se, boys. But still male. The only evidence to the contrary are the stuffed shirts.

Oh, and last panel, Dash=Gilda.
Jovey4 6th May 2012, 11:35 AM edit delete reply
Now I'm genuinely intrigued by your comment, so I'd like to know something, as I seek for critiquing. How would you have gone about design-wise to make these characters look more feminine whilst retaining a realistic look?
Karilyn 6th May 2012, 12:13 PM edit delete reply
Karilyn
Since you want a critique Jovey...

I think it's mostly chins. Broader chins make a character look more male, and only a few of the chins actually have a thinner chin (FS 2nd panel, Rarity 3rd panel). While this is not true 100% of the time in real life (and maybe not even 50%), when dealing with cartoon characters, an artist has to work from caricature presidencies.

In addition I think the cheek bones are too high on a lot of them for a cartoon female. Jawline is too square on a lot of them.

Basically I think the artist has a lot more experience drawing males than females. I personally have the same problem when I try to draw males; they all look kinda like flat chested girls (and not in the bishonen way).

Don't take this as a "Everything sucks forever." You've got a lot of things going well for you. It's not unusual for an artist to struggle with drawing one of the two sexes of humans.
Jovey4 6th May 2012, 11:25 PM edit delete reply
This was very helpful, Karilyn, thanks.
I knowingly made the chins less sharper but I can see that it was probably not the best option, but that's what helps ya learn, right?^^ Also cheekbones- never woulda thought of that m'self, that's something for me to look into! It's rather humorous, but I'm a little less-than-satisfactory when it comes to noticing very basic things as an artist~ perhaps a bit too detail-oriented for my own good, haha. Thanks for the critique!
Bronymous 6th May 2012, 3:00 PM edit delete reply
Bronymous
That^ is about what I was going to say, the chins/ jawlines are a major part. You might also think about smaller, shapelier noses, and changing the lip color. It doesn't have to be lipstick, but just shading it to pronounce them more would give them a more feminine look.

Keep in mind I have absolutely no artistic talent, so this is purely an "eye of the beholder" kind of critique.
Guest 5th May 2012, 3:21 PM edit delete reply
AJ! It's rude to wear your hat indoors!
suburbanbanshee 6th May 2012, 4:48 PM edit delete reply
Women can always wear a hat indoors. Only men remove their hats when coming inside.
Krazymouse 5th May 2012, 4:00 PM edit delete reply
Thank God. With the season over, the only thing I even could hope for is Friendship is Dragons to come back
kriss1989 7th May 2012, 6:19 AM edit delete reply
kriss1989
That's....kinda sad actually.
Derpmind 5th May 2012, 5:38 PM edit delete reply
I notice that even though the DM's right there, she's still speaking in a narrator box. This clearly means that behind the screen is a speaker phone, like from Charlie's Angels. Therefore the Mane 6 are Lauren's Ponies.

...Maybe there's a camera somewhere too.
xuincherguixe 5th May 2012, 11:58 PM edit delete reply
xuincherguixe
Maybe the DM is teleconferencing! Some groups do use Skype after all.
Zarhon 6th May 2012, 7:09 AM edit delete reply
Zarhon
Or the DM isn't real, but a figment of Pinkie's imagination. The DM is a propped-up mannequin and Pinkie Pie is the one doing all the talking and playing (Notice how she's in a position to see the GM screen in the last panel). She's being a DM and DMNPC at the same time.

Kaze Koichi 6th May 2012, 2:35 PM edit delete reply
That's the most avesome epileptic tree I ever heard of.
legomaster00156 7th May 2012, 5:26 AM edit delete reply
So, Pinkie Pie comes up with stuff Pinkie's player doesn't expect? If it was anypony else, I'd say this theory is crazy.
kriss1989 7th May 2012, 10:38 AM edit delete reply
kriss1989
Important question I can't believe nobody thought to ask. Spud, are these appearances canon?
Newbiespud 7th May 2012, 2:34 PM edit delete reply
Newbiespud
Good question, and the answer is no. I specifically wanted Jovey's interpretation, and let him have free reign over the creative decisions. I made approximately one suggestion - for the hair, try for realism instead of copying the ponies' hairstyles and colors - but that was all I said. The rest was him.

The point being: If I wanted this to become canon, I would've had a lot more say in it.
Kwon 8th May 2012, 2:42 AM edit delete reply
It's just funnier if you think of Pinkie Pie as that goofy fat friend that most groups have. Like that chick in the movie "Bridesmaids". However, Rarity's a bit iffy. With a mid-Atlantic accent, it's somewhat hard to place, but then again there are plenty of black French people, so anything goes.
StealthMarmot 1st Jun 2012, 7:56 PM edit delete reply
I always felt that Rarity's "accent" was faked, or trained. She is from what is essentially a tiny rural area when she fancies herself a big city socialite. As such she gives herself a high society sort of accent.
Chip 7th Aug 2012, 5:53 PM edit delete reply
Fluttershy's player looks mighty fine in that sweater...
dalmide 5th Oct 2012, 6:18 PM edit delete reply
I think that's the entire female DnD community.
Guest 7th Sep 2015, 9:29 AM edit delete reply
>male author

>draws every woman as unattractive as possible

>beta white knight sjw faggot detected
Dusk Raven 13th Dec 2015, 4:35 PM edit delete reply
It's called learning how to draw. You might try it sometime.