Page 105 - Grand Line, Part 5

7th Apr 2012, 6:00 AM
Grand Line, Part 5
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Newbiespud 7th Apr 2012, 6:00 AM edit delete
Newbiespud
Guest author: DragonTrainer

Power creep definitely becomes a problem as a campaign runs on. But starting out with overpowered characters right out of creation? I can't even imagine.

79 Comments:

Kyronea 7th Apr 2012, 6:04 AM edit delete reply
Gotta say, using Mare Do Well was a stroke of brilliance for the guy.
Zarhon 7th Apr 2012, 6:21 AM edit delete reply
Don't swordmages need a proper weapon to be effective? Or can they work with throw-able / improvised weapons as well?
If that's the case, I can imagine him lobbing enchanted giant boulders from the sky, essentially carpet-bombing his enemies.

Also, how does a "search and rescue" cutie mark boost his magic so much (especially since he's only half-unicorn), excluding situations where he has to rescue someone from rubble with it?
darkwulf23 7th Apr 2012, 6:49 AM edit delete reply
darkwulf23
Probably treating the unicorn's horn as a natural weapon. And boosting his magic? Well he has the flaws to counter it. Vow of silence, color blind, trouble with math, no social skill, lactose intolerant, multiple personalities, no table manners... Yea, DM is really regretting the flaw house rule now
Bronymous 7th Apr 2012, 10:08 AM edit delete reply
Bronymous
Hot Tub Foot, milk leg, prolapsed navel, trickle nipple, allergic to indoor toilets, intestinal cholic, and of course Puff Knuckle.
Jet 7th Apr 2012, 10:56 AM edit delete reply
Jet
... scars on face, scars on body, deadly enemies, haunted past, dead little sister, vengeance vow...
masterofgames 7th Apr 2012, 11:49 AM edit delete reply
masterofgames
Short Term Memory Loss (but it's countered with Photographic Memory perk, so hey, free feat points!), Pacifist, Bloodlust (to cancel out Pacifist), Dark Secret: Plays the Accordian, Dark Secret: Really a Well Adjusted and Respected Member of Society Just Pretending to Have a Dark History, Dark Secret: Not Gay...
darkwulf23 7th Apr 2012, 1:32 PM edit delete reply
darkwulf23
Genius ditz, book dumb(cancels each other out)Dark secret: Once played a campaign of F.A.T.A.L., Dark secret: Sings in the shower, dwarfism, giantism, club feet...
Izandai 7th Apr 2012, 4:15 PM edit delete reply
But of course, a skilled DM can make a player regret taking too many flaws.

Player: I'll take deathly allergic to cattle for those extra skill points. There's no way we'll need to go near a farm.
DM: You are stampeded by wild cows.
Panoptes 7th Apr 2012, 9:21 PM edit delete reply
Panoptes
Dark Secret: Part Munchkin
terrycloth 7th Apr 2012, 11:01 PM edit delete reply
I had one player that I had to say 'no' to repeatedly because he'd take too many flaws to keep track of. I think it was 1287 points worth of disadvantages in GURPS (for a 150 pt game with a 50 point disadvantage limit) including more than 30 personality flaws and at least twelve enemies.

He whined about it. A lot. "But I need all these to flesh out my character!"

And then sulked about how without those disadvantages he'd be bored... ugh... x.x

He ended up ONLY having enough for 150 million dollars worth of magical items from Wealth. That's all he put the points into. I think originally he owned the universe or something.
darkwulf23 8th Apr 2012, 12:48 AM edit delete reply
darkwulf23
Naw, let him have it. And oh by the way, those flaws, he has to role play them when ever they come up. And they will be coming up. Like every fricken time there is a social skills check, maybe a few while he's crossing the street. Also the 12 enemies, there will be at least one in every social ladder of society, most of them are in a position of authority. Mayors, crime bosses, the local sheriff. I call it the moody pregnant Shih Tzu's obedience school campaign, otherwise known as the winy little B****es rehabilitation program.
terrycloth 8th Apr 2012, 8:49 AM edit delete reply
I could have literally made the entire campaign about punishing him for his flaws and still would have only been dealing with about 10% of them. There were just too many.
darkwulf23 8th Apr 2012, 9:21 AM edit delete reply
darkwulf23
That just makes it easier to punish him for thinking that he is entitled to more than his fellow players. Yep, you should never try to pull that if I ever become a DM, I'll screw you over worse than a Genie.

Two questions though, if he was that bad why keep him in the group? And what kind of backstory can he come up with to justify the flaws?
sjosten 8th Apr 2012, 7:17 PM edit delete reply
The only backstory that could justify that many enemies and social flaws is already taken by Wolverine. However, one of his flaws could have been a nagging feeling that he was a ripoff of someone cooler than he was.
terrycloth 9th Apr 2012, 11:16 AM edit delete reply
He's usually the GM. And he's a pretty good GM. He's also an active and imaginative player once you actually start playing -- it's just character creation that's like pulling teeth. x.x

He moved away in the middle of the campaign though. v.v
Raxon 16th Jun 2012, 7:51 PM edit delete reply
Raxon
Don't forget the flaws technically edible, tastes good to fire hydrants, specific hatred of computers, technophobic, Anatidaephobia(The fear that somewhere, there is a duck watching you), arch nemesis, surrounded by disaster, and fear of intimacy.
Guest 7th Apr 2012, 6:44 AM edit delete reply
Interesting choices on that point buy. I can't figure out how it works out to 22 points. Everything I've tried comes out too high or (assuming the race has +2 in Int and one other ability) too low.
darkwulf23 7th Apr 2012, 6:59 AM edit delete reply
darkwulf23
I got the math to work, by using an Eladrin build with the bonus points in int and dex.
Guest 7th Apr 2012, 7:21 PM edit delete reply
That works. Thank you.
darkwulf23 7th Apr 2012, 7:04 AM edit delete reply
darkwulf23
Here's a math question for everyone. How can he be an earth pony that is one half unicorn and one half pegasis? That is worth two ponies right there.
Pops 7th Apr 2012, 7:08 AM edit delete reply
Molestia.
Demonu 7th Apr 2012, 7:30 AM edit delete reply
Demonu
Having 2 earth ponies parents, one with recessive pegasus genes and the other with recessive unicorn genes?

Pony genes in general don't make much sense if you consider the Cakes have twin pegasus and unicorn fillies.
chinlamp 7th Apr 2012, 8:03 AM edit delete reply
If both the unicorn and pegasi genes are recessive, and (because magic) when both are present, the result is an Earth pony (like in Shadowrun with an elf and dwarf parent, if they get both metatypes they are always human), then you could argue that the cakes each had one parent that was a pegasi and one that was a unicorn, resulting in fraternal twins that got both the recessive genes of each species respectively.
darkwulf23 7th Apr 2012, 9:18 AM edit delete reply
darkwulf23
Still can't be an earth pony that's one half unicorn and one half pegasis, that's an oxymoron. Course anything is possible with the mary sues and munkins alike.
CrowMagnon 7th Apr 2012, 12:29 PM edit delete reply
Given that he was made by Cory, really it's just a case of Cory only caring about math when it comes to min-maxing. That's the only logic at play here.
xuincherguixe 7th Apr 2012, 4:15 PM edit delete reply
This is the guy who made a character that was 1/16 fishman 1/16 giant. (14/16 human)

I'm assuming something similar here.
Demonu 7th Apr 2012, 9:21 AM edit delete reply
Demonu
Except that Mr. Cake's explination amounts to having an non-earth pony relative way too far removed to explain it with how we know how genes work.

Even Mr. Cake wasn't sure of his own explination.
darkwulf23 7th Apr 2012, 9:23 AM edit delete reply
darkwulf23
Think that one falls under rule of funny. Or Mrs Cake is a harlot and Mr. Cake is in denial.
Bronymous 7th Apr 2012, 10:12 AM edit delete reply
Bronymous
Shifty eyes points to the latter. But I think it could be a solid "one parent pegasus, one parent unicorn" situation. That phenotypically that means he's half unicorn and half pegasus. Genotypically its more complicated than that, but if you were to just look at a family picture you would see a half unicorn, half pegasus earth pony.

It works better if you don't overthink it.

The screen shots definitely aren't helping, though.
HMorris73 7th Apr 2012, 3:03 PM edit delete reply
I don't understand why so many people go with "Mrs. Cake cheated on her husband" when it wouldn't explain how they got both a pegasus and a unicorn. Pony genetics just work differently, a lot of things in Equestria do.
SecondSeraphim 9th Apr 2012, 6:19 AM edit delete reply
Female cats can get pregnant by two males cats at once. Perhaps its the same for ponies?
HMorris73 7th Apr 2012, 3:29 PM edit delete reply
If you really want to look at pony genetics in terms of real world genetics this guy made an interesting vid on the subject...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bolwd7xaZvs
RCW 9th Apr 2012, 4:18 AM edit delete reply
Re: The Cakes

Recessive genes can linger in a family for generations before expressing. But if we assume that pony genetics work like real world genetics, both parents would have had to have both unicorn and pegasus recessive genes.
Keystone 7th Apr 2012, 4:05 PM edit delete reply
Re: 1/2 of each race.

Dark Secret. Child of Molestia.
Keystone 7th Apr 2012, 4:05 PM edit delete reply
Re: 1/2 of each race.

Dark Secret. Child of Molestia.
DanielLC 7th Apr 2012, 10:26 AM edit delete reply
Simple. Start with an earth pony, and then add the 1/2 pegasus and 1/2 unicorn templates.

It's sort of like being a half-celestial half-dragon half-fiend half-elf. There's nothing saying you can't use more than one of those templates at once (at least not in 3.5. I don't know about 4.0).
kriss1989 7th Apr 2012, 2:00 PM edit delete reply
kriss1989
I'm pretty sure the laws of basic math mean NO.
xuincherguixe 7th Apr 2012, 4:42 PM edit delete reply
"Half" templates don't need to literally mean half.
xuincherguixe 7th Apr 2012, 4:43 PM edit delete reply
As weird as that sounds. It says as much in the rules even. They should have found a different name.
Vegetalss4 7th Apr 2012, 7:36 PM edit delete reply
A lot depends on what exactly each "half" template actually represent.

for instance: imagine that the three pony races are basically the same the exception being an organ channelling their magic which is unique to the subspecies, the horn and some connected parts of the brain for unicorns, wings and collected muscles for pegasus and, say special bone composition for earth ponies.

A 1/2 pegasus might then have a hybrid of the wing muscle type and the baseline muscle type and a 1/2 unicorn a hybrid of the horn skull and synapses.
A 1/2 unicorn, 1/2 half pegasus Earthpony would then be an earthpony with both traits due to some quirk of genetics.
kriss1989 8th Apr 2012, 6:56 AM edit delete reply
kriss1989
Alicorn.
darkwulf23 8th Apr 2012, 7:53 AM edit delete reply
darkwulf23
Yea, except that in the pony universe, there are no unicorn pegasus hybrids with the exception of three, all of them royalty and at least 2 of them immortals. If the dominate traits of each race can be passed down to the children, then there should be more unicorn/pegasi hybrids in Equestria. (And I am only using that as my example because it's harder to prove the earth pony hybrid does or doesn't exist.)
technopony 8th Apr 2012, 8:49 AM edit delete reply
Well, isn't it possible that Mr and Ms. Cake each had a parent who was half unicorn or pegasus? Sure, the gene could be recessive and could conceivably come up in the babies. Especially since each of the 3 races has their own brand of magic, and maybe which race the baby is comes down to 1/4 parts genetics and 3/4 parts magic coin flip :P.
darkwulf23 8th Apr 2012, 9:19 AM edit delete reply
darkwulf23
Recessive genetics is possible, you just can't get the racial bonuses of being a whatever simply because the genetics are "recessive."
kriss1989 8th Apr 2012, 11:54 AM edit delete reply
kriss1989
And as shown, the horn and wings are present, so the genes aren't recessive in MDW's case.
Vegetalss4 9th Apr 2012, 3:14 AM edit delete reply
In canon there is no such thing as a "half-Unicorn" or a "half-pegasus", you are the type of pony you are, no matter who your parents might be.

Also the Sister are Unicorn/Pegasus/Earth pony hybrids* not just Unicorn/Pegasus hybrids. (the earthpony part is most immediately visible through their size)

*and gods in Celestia's/Luna's case (don't know if the same is true for cadence)
Sabersword 7th Apr 2012, 7:28 AM edit delete reply
......And watch as Mare-Do-Well gets shot down faster than a triplane over the English Channel.
Azlan 9th Apr 2012, 10:53 PM edit delete reply
Right, now there's a reference people commonly use.
Digo 7th Apr 2012, 7:32 AM edit delete reply
My experience is that the worst game I've run that gets into bad power-creep is superheros in GURPS. Once characters hit something like 300 points, they all become The Tick.
...sometimes mentally too XD
Thud 7th Apr 2012, 8:23 AM edit delete reply
This is why I prefer the pathfinder take on flaws. In that game you skill points instead of feats.
Kontaro 7th Apr 2012, 9:25 AM edit delete reply
Man...If NeverWinter Nights 1 or 2 had flaws..... I'd have made such epic characters... oh well.
Kingkirby 7th Apr 2012, 9:37 AM edit delete reply
My DM house rules in flaws (we use pathfinder for our system), but he limits everyone to just 1 flaw (sometimes 2, if we're playing a campaign that's meant to have powerful player characters). It seems to work pretty well.
SpacePaladin 7th Apr 2012, 9:45 AM edit delete reply
Earth Pony (Half Unicorn/HalfPegasus)
Qin the Kirin 7th Apr 2012, 10:26 AM edit delete reply
Half Unicorn/Half Pegasus? why not Alicorn? or the player think that whas to excessive? XD
Jet 7th Apr 2012, 10:58 AM edit delete reply
Jet
They probably dont know that much about the setting.
darkwulf23 7th Apr 2012, 1:24 PM edit delete reply
darkwulf23
Or they figure that a 1/2 unicorn 1/2 pegasus earth pony would get three racial bonuses instead of just one with an alicorn.
Azureink 7th Apr 2012, 11:25 AM edit delete reply
Azureink
Mare Do Well rolled his/her stats? This is 4e, you use point-buy!

You also don't have "arcane spell failure chance."
bancher2 7th Apr 2012, 11:33 AM edit delete reply
so he's an alicorn? God I hope on of the characters is at least descent.
EarthwormJim 7th Apr 2012, 12:53 PM edit delete reply
“At least I didn’t arrive six hours late! And I’ll have you know that Alicorns are perfectly legal PCs!” Twilight snapped, slamming her hoof on the table so hard that it sent cheese puffs and dice flying. “They have a level adjustment of 3!”

http://www.fimfiction.net/story/53/21/The-Empty-Room/April-Fools-Chapter
Guest 7th Apr 2012, 3:18 PM edit delete reply
Hadn't realized this fic had that chapter.

This is clearly the only good way it could go.
theguyindarkglasses 7th Apr 2012, 3:17 PM edit delete reply
wasn't an 8 supposed to give you a -1 mod?
Newbiespud 8th Apr 2012, 12:55 AM edit delete reply
Newbiespud
Good catch! The comic has been edited.
shadowoftruth 7th Apr 2012, 5:28 PM edit delete reply
Wait 19 AC on a swordmage? That's terrible by normal standards (Most swordmages start with 20-21 at first level)
By power gaming standards I'd expect something like 25 AC 20 Will 21 Reflex and 18 Fort...
Bronymous 7th Apr 2012, 9:43 PM edit delete reply
Bronymous
With his stats and skills? he probably doesn't count on being hit too often regardless.
Seanpony Renaud 8th Apr 2012, 4:33 PM edit delete reply
Rarity with bling is incredible. On a one to ten scale I'd say it's over nine thousand.

Just Saiyan.
Burke 8th Apr 2012, 4:04 AM edit delete reply
Hey, does anyone else think Mare Do Well looks like a ponyfied Spoiler from DC's 90s-era Robin?
Jet 8th Apr 2012, 4:19 AM edit delete reply
Jet
I do. Probably becouse Im one of the few people who actually know who she is.
Burke 9th Apr 2012, 3:33 AM edit delete reply
You should head over to Scans Daily. There's much with the Steph-love in that neck of the inter-woods.
Guest 8th Apr 2012, 5:03 AM edit delete reply
It always looked more like Darkwing Duck to me.
Burke 9th Apr 2012, 3:32 AM edit delete reply
The hat's very Darkwing, I'll give you that, but the mask and color scheme really look Spoiler to me.
CocoaNut 8th Apr 2012, 6:03 AM edit delete reply
So does this mean that the Mysterious Mare Do Well is non-canon in FiD?

Yay!
Jet 8th Apr 2012, 7:46 AM edit delete reply
Jet
I think its more a case of

Rarity: Let us never speak of this again.
TS: I agree.
AJ: Eyup.
FS: Thats for the best.
PP: I dunno, they werent that bad.
RD: You kidding? There's a line between "awesome" and just plain "sad".
RinaldoLuke 8th Apr 2012, 4:36 PM edit delete reply
I always like how ADRPG handles flaws. Namely? PC conflict.

Having 5,000 flaws when it is just the GM trying to screw you over? Not that much worse than having 5 flaws.

Having one weakness when it's your fellow PLAYERS who will be screwing you over? Fatal.
kriss1989 9th Apr 2012, 4:34 AM edit delete reply
kriss1989
What does ADRPG stand for?
Jet 9th Apr 2012, 4:42 AM edit delete reply
Jet
I think he means Amber Diceless RPG.
Fits the description, at least.
http://index.rpg.net/display-entry.phtml?mainid=136
AppleDoom 9th Apr 2012, 6:30 AM edit delete reply
Why can I imagine mare do well using summon giant fish?
dzamie 9th Apr 2012, 2:32 PM edit delete reply
dzamie
Summon *Bigger Fish, isn't it?
Zeeth 9th Apr 2012, 7:53 AM edit delete reply
Since the one is the other, you're arguing a purely semantic difference.
darkwulf23 9th Apr 2012, 3:39 PM edit delete reply
darkwulf23
Probably mentioned sometime in past posts, I think by you Umiyuri, but to serve as a reminder, an alicorn is actually what the unicorn's horn is made out of. Alicorn didn't offically become a term for a wing unicorn until the Piers Anthony novel Bearing an Hourglass, at least according to wiki. But screw it, the fans know what everyone are talking about with Alicorns. Why change it?